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carlson test and debunking randi

one correction.
with the sun and ascendant ruler in house 8 you have a leaning towards the issues of psychology or life and death and the misteries of sex, all related to house 8. but you remain an extrovert

and your chinese chart tells me you are ambitious with a love for power,which is confirmed by the western chart, but at least outwardly you are an honest, righteous chap, not the unscrupulous type of ambitious pe:boxedin: rson
 
and your chinese chart tells me you are ambitious with a love for power,which is confirmed by the western chart, but at least outwardly you are an honest, righteous chap, not the unscrupulous type of ambitious pe:boxedin: rson

By the way was there DST when you were born?
 
idunno, may I suggest you simply edit your posts instead of adding new ones? Becomes easier to read then.
 
idunno, please explain to me why a test like this won't work: Several of us post our birth info, same as arthwollipot. You post notes for each of us, just like you did for him. We all guess which notes are ours. Afterwards you tell us which notes go with which birth date.

We should all be able to pick our own out, right? Within reason, I mean--there may be two or three people on the forum who have similar readings and then they'll be able to say "well I might be A or B but no way am I C."

(If you want to get all picky I someone will say HE'LL JUST SAY WE PICKED RIGHT AND SHUFFLE THE ANSWERS AROUND! but for the sack of a very simple little test like that lets pretend people here are a lot more trusting than they actually are....)
 
hi

your ascendant is pisces,sun in sagitarius,two mutable signs

--youre very changeable, moody
pisces is introvert sagitarius the most extrovert of all signs.
since nearly all planets in your chart are in the visible part of the chart youre likely to be more extrovert and turned to the outside world rather than dealing with feelings, emotions, the subjective stuff.
right soo far?;)

No. I'm not particularly changeable or moody, and I've never been called an extrovert. I tend to keep my feelings emotions under wraps (I've occasionally been called a little cold), but that doesn't mean that I'm not in touch with them. I've done extensive self-analysis and understand my feelings and emotions quite well.

one correction.
with the sun and ascendant ruler in house 8 you have a leaning towards the issues of psychology or life and death and the misteries of sex, all related to house 8. but you remain an extrovert

No. Psychology holds little interest for me, and I try not to think too much about death. Sex interests me, but you could say that about most people. Again, I am not an extrovert.

and your chinese chart tells me you are ambitious with a love for power,which is confirmed by the western chart, but at least outwardly you are an honest, righteous chap, not the unscrupulous type of ambitious pe:boxedin: rson

No. I am about as far away from ambitious as it is possible to be. I've been in the same kind of job for about fifteen years now, and I have no love or desire for power. Calling me honest and righteous is only a sop and again could be applied to anyone.

By the way was there DST when you were born?

Yes. Are you about to tell me that this reverses everything you just said?

My Myers-Briggs profile is INTP, if you're familiar with that - it's about the most accurate personality profile I've done, though it still has its shortcomings.

Scorecard:

1: Changeable, moody. Wrong.
2: Extroverted. Wrong.
3: Leaning towards psychology. Wrong.
4: Leaning towards issues of life and death. Wrong.
5: Leaning towards sex. Right, but see below.
6: Ambitious with love for power. Wrong.
7: Honest and righteous. Right, but see below.

The two "right" answers above are strongly mitigated by the fact that they are things that almost anyone will agree with. After all, who is going to deny being "honest and righteous"? You could have stumbled on the sex option, if I had sexual hangups. As it turns out I don't, so I will give you half a point for that one, because I don't know what proportion of the public would not say that they are interested in sex. I won't give you anything for calling me "honest and righteous".

Half a point out of seven.
 
hi

your ascendant is pisces,sun in sagitarius,two mutable signs

--youre very changeable, moody
pisces is introvert sagitarius the most extrovert of all signs.
since nearly all planets in your chart are in the visible part of the chart youre likely to be more extrovert and turned to the outside world rather than dealing with feelings, emotions, the subjective stuff.
right soo far?;)

one correction.
with the sun and ascendant ruler in house 8 you have a leaning towards the issues of psychology or life and death and the misteries of sex, all related to house 8. but you remain an extrovert

and your chinese chart tells me you are ambitious with a love for power,which is confirmed by the western chart, but at least outwardly you are an honest, righteous chap, not the unscrupulous type of ambitious pe:boxedin: rson

By the way was there DST when you were born?

You don't have time to answer questions, yet you have time to cast horoscopes?
 
Fair go - I responded to a specific request that idunno made - he was obliged to respond.

Oh, I'm not saying that he shouldn't respond to you. I'm saying that he shouldn't say he doesn't have time to answer questions, if he has time to cast horoscopes.

Why, that might look as if he tries to evade questions, but jumps at the chance of promoting superstitions.
 
idunno, please explain to me why a test like this won't work: Several of us post our birth info, same as arthwollipot. You post notes for each of us, just like you did for him. We all guess which notes are ours. Afterwards you tell us which notes go with which birth date.

We should all be able to pick our own out, right? Within reason, I mean--there may be two or three people on the forum who have similar readings and then they'll be able to say "well I might be A or B but no way am I C."

(If you want to get all picky I someone will say HE'LL JUST SAY WE PICKED RIGHT AND SHUFFLE THE ANSWERS AROUND! but for the sack of a very simple little test like that lets pretend people here are a lot more trusting than they actually are....)

I wouldn't reccommend doing a test like this without proper controls. Cheating is too easy and the tempatation to cheat too important. When similar tests have been done with double-bliding controls, the result has always been the same as if the people had randomdly chosen their horoscopes.
 
i simply play the role of the journalist. a skeptic with believers and a believer with skeptics:boxedin:

A follow up comment; if you are REALLY a journalist, then why all the horoscope postings? I contend you are a believer/supporter...which is fine, just be up front about it. To claim neutrality, when you obviously believe, is intellectually dishonest.

So...how would you and Young suggest going about proving Astrology is a science? After all the smoke, that really is the question of the day...not who knows the most, about believing or not believing, etc.

Science can be tested (with proper controls/protocols), repeated, and documented for peer review. While there is LOTS of documentation on Astrology, what is lacking is the "testing" and "repeating" phases - which are critical in science.

Starting with the basic of all questions – what does Astrology do? Once folks can agree on that, testing protocols can be established; lacking this definition/claim, all you and Young are doing is clouding the issue with trivial nonsense (ie. who knows more, horoscopes, etc.)
 
A follow up comment; if you are REALLY a journalist, then why all the horoscope postings? I contend you are a believer/supporter...which is fine, just be up front about it. To claim neutrality, when you obviously believe, is intellectually dishonest.

So...how would you and Young suggest going about proving Astrology is a science? After all the smoke, that really is the question of the day...not who knows the most, about believing or not believing, etc.

Science can be tested (with proper controls/protocols), repeated, and documented for peer review. While there is LOTS of documentation on Astrology, what is lacking is the "testing" and "repeating" phases - which are critical in science.

Starting with the basic of all questions – what does Astrology do? Once folks can agree on that, testing protocols can be established; lacking this definition/claim, all you and Young are doing is clouding the issue with trivial nonsense (ie. who knows more, horoscopes, etc.)

im not a journalist i simply play a similar role to journalists. gather infiormation without judgement
 
idunno, please explain to me why a test like this won't work: Several of us post our birth info, same as arthwollipot. You post notes for each of us, just like you did for him. We all guess which notes are ours. Afterwards you tell us which notes go with which birth date.

We should all be able to pick our own out, right? Within reason, I mean--there may be two or three people on the forum who have similar readings and then they'll be able to say "well I might be A or B but no way am I C."

(If you want to get all picky I someone will say HE'LL JUST SAY WE PICKED RIGHT AND SHUFFLE THE ANSWERS AROUND! but for the sack of a very simple little test like that lets pretend people here are a lot more trusting than they actually are....)

i agree, since, unlike Jamie Young im not trying to defend astrology.
he stopped all comunication with me by the way..:D
 
im not a journalist i simply play a similar role to journalists. gather infiormation without judgement

This includes doing horoscopes on folks here; that is to say participating in woo woo? I'd have to say, that is an odd implementation of "gather infiormation [sic] without judgement"
 
This includes doing horoscopes on folks here; that is to say participating in woo woo? I'd have to say, that is an odd implementation of "gather infiormation [sic] without judgement"

it happens that i learned astrology, so, i can test it if you allow it...:D
 
This includes doing horoscopes on folks here; that is to say participating in woo woo? I'd have to say, that is an odd implementation of "gather infiormation [sic] without judgement"

it happens that i learned astrology, so, i can test it if you allow it...:D
 
No. I'm not particularly changeable or moody, and I've never been called an extrovert. I tend to keep my feelings emotions under wraps (I've occasionally been called a little cold), but that doesn't mean that I'm not in touch with them. I've done extensive self-analysis and understand my feelings and emotions quite well.



No. Psychology holds little interest for me, and I try not to think too much about death. Sex interests me, but you could say that about most people. Again, I am not an extrovert.




-----In your case the sun is in a positive extrovert sign the ascendant in a negative introvert sign.
what im looking for is people who have both in a negative or both in a positive sign. Since im not a real expert i can only test clear cut charts.
You seem to be more like Pisces. See Pisces ascendant in James Young site in «know;) ledge»
 

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