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[achimspok]

You have a meaning for "can't explain" that isn't shared by the rest of the English-speaking world.

But you understood my question.

 

[BigAl]

That's a pretty good question. Have you heard the radio communications?
Listen to the Atta "communication". Obviously you are one of the loons who swallowed that Atta could bank that plane against the center column but wasn't able to locate the talk back button.

Something like
"AA11 are you trying to call me?"
"Stay quite! You endanger the airplane and yourself."
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What do you think about the reported mace? Do you think that 5 hijackers and two pilots shared a 767 cockpit? ...would look like a subway in the rush hour I guess.

None of your babble address my question:

When the "remote control" kicked in, why isn't there any audio record on the black boxes or the radio communications of the pilot expressing surprise (at the very least) at the sudden loss of control over his plane?​

 

[achimspok]

Just about all workshops I have seen have had one of these, they have not changed significantly over the years.

They are mostly used to remove ball bearings or bushings, by pressing them off the shaft/out of the groove.

No problem about that. Do you think they bought a 50T press or do you think they bought a 50T press for removing ball bearings?
Would you say that the images for a 30T press and a 80T press help to imagine what a 50T press looks like?
What do you think about Pecorero saying "The shop was gone! We are talking about a 50T hydraulic press. Gone!"

Here is another piece of the same article:

...Mike told his co-worker, referring to the terrorist attack at the center in 1993. Having been through that bombing, Mike recalled seeing similar things happen to the building's structure. He was convinced a bomb had gone off in the building...

 

[DGM]

No problem about that. Do you think they bought a 50T press or do you think they bought a 50T press for removing ball bearings?
Would you say that the images for a 30T press and a 80T press help to imagine what a 50T press looks like?
What do you think about Pecorero saying "The shop was gone! We are talking about a 50T hydraulic press. Gone!"

Here is another piece of the same article:

How much (intensity) of a blast wave do you figure would be required to do what your suggesting?


Just asking questions.

 

[twinstead]

What do you think about the reported mace? Do you think that 5 hijackers and two pilots shared a 767 cockpit? ...would look like a subway in the rush hour I guess.

Answering a pertinent question with a totally irrational question ROCKS!

 

[achimspok]

None of your babble address my question:

When the "remote control" kicked in, why isn't there any audio record on the black boxes or the radio communications of the pilot expressing surprise (at the very least) at the sudden loss of control over his plane?​

You are a slow thinker!

What radio communications have you heard? Any? Any other than that allegedly Atta voice answering Bosten Center as if the Center sits in the back (twice).
WHAT COMMUNICATIONS HAVE YOU HEARD BIG AL?
Which black box recording are you talking about?
Atta? Hanjour? Al Shehi? Jarrah?
Makes your question any sense at all?

 

[BigAl]

You are a slow thinker!

What radio communications have you heard? Any? Any other that that allegedly Atta voice answering Bosten Center as if the Center sits in the back (twice).
WHAT COMMUNICATIONS HAVE YOU HEARD BIG AL?
Which black box recording are you talking about?
Atta? Hanjour? Al Shehi? Jarrah?
Makes your question any sense at all?

Any or all 4 planes

When the "remote control" kicked in, why isn't there any audio record on the black boxes or the radio communications of the pilot expressing surprise (at the very least) at the sudden loss of control over his plane?

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[achimspok]

Answering a pertinent question with a totally irrational question ROCKS!

The cutest nun on the forum declares the offical hijack story as "irrational".
That rocks. Btw, it wasn't really a question.

 

[Toke]

No problem about that. Do you think they bought a 50T press or do you think they bought a 50T press for removing ball bearings?
Would you say that the images for a 30T press and a 80T press help to imagine what a 50T press looks like?
What do you think about Pecorero saying "The shop was gone! We are talking about a 50T hydraulic press. Gone!"

Here is another piece of the same article:

You still don't get it.
The 50T refers to the pressing strength, not the weight of the thing.
And yes buying a 50T press at $1500 for your workshop is a good idea if you want the people there to be able to do their job.
Standard fixed features of a workshop would be, lathe, grinder, pipe bender, plate bender, hydraulic press, drill, metal cut-off saw, and one or more welding machines.

 

[Andy_Ross]

I thought you had 'garages' in North Yorkshire and not 'body shops'. Oh dear...naughty Captain Swoop- are you perhaps on 9/11 Island too ?

Garages fix your engine and suspension etc. Body Shops fix the bosywork and paint.

How are the passengers and crew irrelevent?
Where are they if not killed in the crashes?

 

[achimspok]

Any or all 4 planes

.

May I tell the world the black boxes of AA11 and UA175 were found?
Al knows where they are?

It would just confirm what some workers on Ground Zero saw.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Obviously you are one of the loons who swallowed that Atta could bank that plane against the center column but wasn't able to locate the talk back button.

How hard is it to hit a building?

 

[achimspok]

You still don't get it.
The 50T refers to the pressing strength, not the weight of the thing.
And yes buying a 50T press at $1500 for your workshop is a good idea if you want the people there to be able to do their job.
Standard fixed features of a workshop would be, lathe, grinder, pipe bender, plate bender, hydraulic press, drill, metal cut-off saw, and one or more welding machines.

You still don't get it. I followed your assertion of a 50T pressing strength and just showed how a usual 50T pressing strength hydraulic press would looks like because I believe that Pecoraro didn't talk about a 50T pressing strength hydraulic press for press buttons or camping.

 

[BigAl]

You still don't get it. I followed your assertion of a 50T pressing strength and just showed how a usual 50T pressing strength hydraulic press would looks like because I believe that Pecoraro didn't talk about a 50T pressing strength hydraulic press for press buttons or camping.

On what do you base your belief?

 

[bill smith]

Garages fix your engine and suspension etc. Body Shops fix the bosywork and paint.

How are the passengers and crew irrelevent?
Where are they if not killed in the crashes?

Nope, the description 'body shop' is virtually unknown and unused in automotive circles in Yorkshire. Garages do the lot. 'Body shop' is a well known store for perfumes and the like. You appear to be an imposter and I do not believe you are in Yorkshire at all.

I told you. It is more practical and convenient for the investigation to asign the passengers and crew to an imaginary 9/11 Island with endless martinis and forget them for now.

 

[achimspok]

On what do you base your belief?

...just googled for hydraulic press 30ton 50ton 80tons

 

[carlitos]

9/11 "truth" in a nutshell

On what do you base your belief?

...just googled for hydraulic press 30ton 50ton 80tons

The above really captures it nicely. Thank you.

 

[achimspok]

How hard is it to hit a building?

How big is the radius of a 25° banking at 497mph?

 

[carlitos]

What's the price of tea in China?

 

[beachnut]

How long do you trained your always the same answer sentence?
How often have you failed in using it!

It took heroes minutes to figure out 911; what is your delay based on?

You first should realize that these planes had GPS.

No GPS! 8 years to study 911; the simple, easy answers elude you. Did you mean VORs?

You should also realize that modern obstacle warning systems use topography maps.

To do what? What does this have to do with your delusion the planes were remote control on 911? lol; explain in detail, please. What does this mean?

Bad weather? ...use the autolanding system!

What does this mean? Please explain how this supports your delusions on 911? Do you understand how the auto-land system works and where it works?

Read the 911myth article and have a laugh. Yes, the pilots only would have to go downstairs and to cut some wires to gain control and fly by hand. The pilots were stabbed? WAF!

There is no way to keep the pilots on the planes on 911 from controlling the planes; the remote control delusion is pure nonsense made up by people who are insane; don't believe the insane liars who make up these lies of remote contol.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=20048&view=findpost&p=10785708

This web site is full of nonsense; using this as a source is called extra credit failure. Unless you are studying the moronic math of Balsamo, using p4t is not intellectually sound practice for understanding 911.

Look where the plane allegedly disappears! In a region of double radar coverage even at 5000ft. If there are "holes" at usual cruising altitude then right above the station. Know what? Therefore usually those stations reaching as far as the next station to prevent the so called "cone of silence".

What are you talking about? Did you get this from an FAA controller? lol

Can you see any cone of silence marked in the image? No? Why is it? What do you think about the radius at 10000ft?

? lol, what are you talking about?

Yes, that's the **** you've been told. Sleep well!

A military exercise would have more personnel available for duty; if you want to attack the military do not do it when they have an exercise; it would be like robbing a police bar. You have no clue what the exercises on 911 were about or why bringing up the exercises as a point to prove your delusions is called failure.

The interviewed General said it was quick and easy to switch from exercise to real world. Where were the quick and fast jets? Have you seen any of it? ...even if the alleged aa77 flew around for 1 hour after the towers were hit and circled for minutes less than 10 miles from the Pentagon.

Too bad you were not on duty on 911 to save us from the terrorists you now apologize for. Please explain, in great detail, how you would stop 77 from hitting the Pentagon? You can't. The only people who were able to figure out 911 and take action first were Passengers on Flight 93. They figured out 911 in minutes; why can't you?

It is instantaneous to switch to real world when you are in an exercise unless you are an idiot.

Btw, in London 7/7 - the big "Al Qaeda" terror attack - 3 subway trains and one bus - coincidentally a security corporation had an exercise 'how to act in a terror attack on 3 subway trains'. Coincidentally they "switched from exercise to real world" on the very same subway stations it actually happened.

And? Does this mean you find delusional conspiracy theories everywhere?

LOL
Did you notice that he left his downwards spiral at the right angle and altitude to reach the target? How fast can you calculate your bank angle to get the right diameter for your descent rate?

Wow; as you have been shown by Hani, Hani had no clue how to calculate the decent rate to arrive at an attack atltitude in a straight line. When you are too high one tool in a new pilots' bag of tricks is to do a turn (you get down graded for poor planning, but you never nose over at 15 to 20 degrees and dive, you will Flunk the RIDE, the big pink, grounded, and get the speech to call mom and warn her you may not become a PILOT!). When you do a 360 degree turn (even as bad as Hani did) with your target in front of you, when you arrrive back at the turn entry heading your target is in front of you again and you have lost the altitude to approach your target (usually a runway) at a reasonable angle of decent! Hani was sloppy and used varing bank angles from 15 degrees to 40 degees of bank to do his sloppy turn and he still ended up with his target infront of him. Yes, you can do a sloppy moronic turn and still have your target in front of you. Hani finally figured out you need to reduce your throttles to come down! lol

Kids with no flying experience could do better than Hani in a jet aircraft for the first time.

These question prove you have no clue what flying is based on; are you being coached by an idiot to ask questions to expose your ignorance on flying?

So it was much easier and more secure to point the plane at the target.

Are you saying you would just point the plane at the target no matter what angle of decent you have? You complain about being above Vmo and Vne, but you think the terrorists should nose over and attack the Pentagon at 25 degrees nose down? Hani only was over Vmo for 20 seconds and never went supersonic; these planes can go supersonic in steep dives very easy and will suffer structural damage and possible breakup. Looks like the terrorists were not trying to fail by flying too fast before they were sure they were about to hit their targets. Hani almost missed; I wonder if he was aiming at the Capitol?

Search for "overspeed warning" in this thread!

Which plane? Is the overspeed warning in the headset, or does "betty" speak in the cockpit over some speaker? The plane does not fall apart when you go past Vmo.

Be honest,

I have been over Vmo; plane was smooth, fast, and would go much faster; I was catching the SR-71 at 70 feet MSL. I caught the co-pilots hand in the throttles when I slapped them to Idle as I noticed we were past Vmo and did not want to damage the leading edge skin.

What was the fastest dive you ever leveled precisely?

MACH 1, straight down. Leveled at 8000 feet and returned to 10,000 really fast.

I cite your college:
http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/282962-vmo-absolute-aerodynamic-limit.html

Oops, no Vne listed in the FAA certification. Darn

Vmo=400mph
+ 75kts (86.3mph)
estimated VNE = 486mph

Wrong! no Vne listed in the FAA certification. Like defining your scenario on 911; undefined

final speed
"UA175" = 586mph
"AA11" = 493mph
"AA77" = 530mph

I got 590 for 175, 470 for 11, and 549 mph for 77. 77 speed is backed by the FDR, seconds you forgot to study.

So if you are a pilot then you are a deliberate liar

Are you using bs from a forum on flying to calculate Vne? LOL, wowzer.

Who said so?

Flight 11 was not over dive speed; you said 493, the speed of 11 was 470, 7 mph below VD; you posted a speed only 16 mph faster than VD. VD is 420 KCAS, or .91 MACH above 23,000 feet; inbetween you need math to figure out the speed from 17,854 to 23,000 feet, so don't ask Balsamo and his p4t failed pilot association for help. 420 KCAS is about 477 mph. BTW, there is no Vne listed in the FAA certification limits for a 767 or a 757. oops

There is no limit defined for when a 767 will not fly; pilots try not to exceed Vmo. If a pilot exceeds Vmo he will be caught, and he may not fly fly again; the FDR records the speed.

How do you know? Have you seen a FDR? According to RADES it was in free fall for a moment! I imagine these 5 hijackers + to dead bodies in a tiny cockpit hitting the overhead panel while the plane banks and levels.

Free fall makes you weighless, negative g would put you on the ceiling; oops.

Please source your free fall from RADES; thought you said RADAR was a big cone of silence on 911? Source the RADES data; where to downlaod RADES for 175; etc; details and work please.

I analyzed the final 12 seconds covered by several cameras. What do you know about it?

It seems you are completely unqualified to analyze the final 12 seconds. You can't figure out who was flying the jets, how can you apply that nonsensical approach to analyzing video which you have not been trained to use to make any judgment on flight paths. Please present your work in video and your college back ground to use video to analyze anything. Are you trained at any level?

...risking a bird strike at 251kts? WOW!

The 250 KIAS airspeed below 10,000 feet is a FAA rule. The glass on the cockpit is subject to birdstrikes well past 10,000 feet. Bird can fly above 10,000 feet; what is the limit at 11,000 for the aircraft? Birds can be at 25,000 feet. So? Exceeding Vmo in a 757/767 is not going to stop the plane as seen on 911. Flight 175 was going 590 mph at impact, the reason it damage 10 core columns; it is a kinetic energy event; the WTC was designed to sustain and repel aircraft slower than 200 mph. A fact lost on 911 truth because they fail to do math and physics past the Balsamo idiot level of failure.

Vmo of a 757 at all atitudes is 350 KCAS/.81 MACH; where do you get your Vmo of 250? lol, The 250 KIAS is a speed limit below 10,000 feet by the FAA. Good luck.

You say it man, you say it!

Why do you fail to realize the speeds used on 911 were not fast enough to stop the planes from functioning?

Seems you have some questions too.

No, I was thinking the top speed may/could be limited (in level flight) by the engine performace at high speed. I have flown in a jet aircraft faster than 600 mph at 1000 feet and we were not at full throttle. Hani was accelerating past 549 mph with his engines at full throttle in a decent at impact. There is no reason to be going full throttle at 500 mph at 1000 feet in an airliner above Vmo unless you are a terrorist, or evading intercept, but then you would want to fly close to a manuvering speed in the 270 to 300 KIAS range, using the throttles to help you keep your speed as you load up the aircraft to jink.

No questions here, I would push the envelope in my own way using the knowledge and flying skills I have. The engines had no problem when Hani was diving at the Pentagon, they were only at full throttle for 20 seconds and then he crashed. Based on 77's FDR the p4t truth failed pilots liar club have no clue what a plane does above Vmo, Balsamo never flew jets as the captain, and he failed to get an ATP so he could be a Major Airline Captain. He also has no clue how many feet are in a nautical mile.

If I needed to go fast in a 767/757 at low altitude I would monitor the engines for overtemp and push on.

If the engines are the limiting factor for going fast (which they are not, sort of), or start to balk, all I have to do to go faster is lower the nose and gain speed using gravity; another term not understood by 911 truth.

Who took credit? Is there any terrorist or Muslim organization who took responsibility? What sense makes an act of terrorism without taking responsibility? None, zero!
Who blamed the Muslims without any shred of evidence?

UBL took credit, he is laughing at the paranoid conspiracy theorists. After the evidence was in, UBL's buddies planned it. Why do you ignore evidence?

Up there is a little riddle for you! Surprise me with an answer that makes any sense!

UBL and his terrorists did 911. Go ask UBL; he also warned us in the 90s. Were you paying attention?

Indeed!

What is this? Oops, the terrorist missed the center line? What?

Have you ever heard about Alomaris passport? Where was it found?

It was stolen; he got a new one. Are you saying a passport can't survive a WTC collapse? People survived, a passport can survive. Some things make it, some don't; it is reality.

If you want to identify DNA you need some DNA of a first grade relative. Did the FBI ask Attas daddy for some spittle? I never heard about that. And btw which Atta? The one who tried to buy a crop duster in the US while the other Atta was observed by the CIA in Hamburg?

The DNA of terrorists was found, and it matches the DNA of the terrorists who had rooms and cars and died on 911 due to their own actions. Why would a parent or relative of a mass murderer come and claim their failed kid? Are you having problems with reality?

You say it man, you say it!
The only thing you have right about 911?

The date?

"We?" Who is we? Do you have access? I will ask Attas daddy!

The United States has DNA from some of the terrorists. Take some action to do more than spread lies about 911.

Yes, I know. You don't like that "off-topic" 9/11 stuff. You like it to talk about VMO. And you like it to send others to school. End of discussion, right?

Vmo is not closely related to the idiotic video in the OP from an idiot who can't figure out 911 and posts proof in video form.

Even passports are not made to be in collapsing buildings, right? Black boxes have "beepers" as far as I know? Passports don't.

Did they find all the passports? Did they find some of the Black boxes? I have worked aircraft accidents and is not unusual to find fragile objects in perfect shape and strong object destroyed.

If you say it. At which subframe "AA77" reached the altitude of let's say 1028ft?
old FDR @ 147142
new FDR @ 146741

There is no old and new FDR; there is only one FDR raw file; each decode is exactly the same; save programing differences like rounding.
Subframe 147142 the altitude is 16,526 feet. OOPS! I wonder if your subframes mean anything. What was your source?
Counter(I assume you are calling SubFrame) 147142 altitude is 1028, but later in that data is the exact altitude of 16,526 feet, which also matches the NTSB decode. Means you have no clue what you are talking about and will not be able to make a point that means much for your delusions about 911.

The FDR decode by p4t experts was made using stolen proprietary software. They failed to line up the data and are missing a second more than the NTSB. But all the data decodes sets from the raw data match; because the data is from the same FDR. Add programming and FDRs to your list of not knowing Jack about.

You can use that offset for the entire FDR. Have fun!

The FDR means nothing for your fantasy.

Did P4T an own read out? Or did the NTSB provide a .fdr and a .csv file?

There is one raw file. Anyone can take a hack at decoding it; the one raw file always had the "missing seconds", only the decoded files lacked a complete decode. The raw file had over 24 hours of flights from the airframe for Flt 77; oops, means it is the real FDR information verified by thousands of data point.

Are you saying the NTSB is part of a conspiracy in your fantasy? When is your fictional book coming out?

You say it! They left tons of clues, right? ...and some of it changed shape and size. Pilots uniforms become wedding suits and more like that. Seriously, solve my riddle and you are my man.

19 terrorists did 911 - complex plan!
Step 1 - kill pilots
Step 2 - crash planes into buildings (crash planes)

Btw, where are Iraqs WMDs? Sorry.

What does Iraq have to do with 911 or the failed physics of the idiot video from the OP?

You makes me cry. 8 years wasted for nothing but... VMO

Still in the dark on Vmo? I thought you were putting your money on Vne??? What happens when you exceed the limit on your tires? (jail if you get caught) The speed limit? (traffic school?)

Btw, is UBL on the FBI most wanted list for 9/11? I mean, they have shown us a "confession tape", right?

UBL is wanted for terrorist acts around the world, 911 happened in the world, it was a terrorist act; oops... Ask the President if UBL is wanted for 911. Go ahead make my day.

It takes logic, got to conect the dots, to suspect UBL for 911. Got logic?

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm The Rewards For Justice Program, United States Department of State, is offering a reward of up to $25 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Usama Bin Laden. An additional $2 million is being offered through a program developed and funded by the Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.

Go find UBL, get 25 + 2 million dollars, and ask him yourself. In the 90s UBL promised to kill Americans when he could. Did you miss it?

IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

911? Suspect? He is already wanted for other murders, he is a suspect in 911. What is your point?

How big is the radius of a 25° banking at 497mph?

~ 6.8 miles What is your point, and how does it support the OP video of crazy physics? You meant the radius of turn using 25 degree of bank, right? What speed was Hani going? What bank angle did he use? This will not save the OP video from being nonsensical garbage.