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Car Incident in Liverpool

Vixen said:
But...but people were saying he was such a decent guy, politely honking his horn for people to get out of his way, if they didn't mind awfully...?
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No, people were saying it was road rage. The only person in this thread who equated beeping the horn with politeness was you.
 
Vixen said:
Citation please.
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Vixen said:
No,
my thoughts were that his intention in beeping was to be obnoxiously rude, not polite, as you seem to infer. I would hold off blaming the Liverpool fans for his 'roadrage' before we have been appraised of all of the facts. I see nothing in this incident of his being a mild mannered gent driven to road rage because he was scared by 'Liverpool thugs'. The scene in which they are seen kicking his car and his backing into them doesn't tell you what happened immediately before. Nobody runs over multliple people - including very young children and babies in prams - because of 'football hooligans'. At age 53 that 'excuse' doesn't wash.
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angrysoba said:
Never called him a “mild-mannered gent”. Stop lying.

Also, who said “road rage” was ever exculpatory?

Most people who get road rage are utter pricks.
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You were the one who inserted “polite” and “mild-mannered gent” into this as a complete misrepresentation of what I was saying. Nobody was saying that before.
 
angrysoba said:
You were the one who inserted “polite” and “mild-mannered gent” into this as a complete misrepresentation of what I was saying. Nobody was saying that before.
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Thanks for clarifying it. It wasn't so much you but the tabloid press trying to make out he was some heroic ex-marine with PTSD and ordinary family man. That wasn't even 'road rage', it was pure thuggery.
 
Vixen said:
Thanks for clarifying it. It wasn't so much you but the tabloid press trying to make out he was some heroic ex-marine with PTSD and ordinary family man. That wasn't even 'road rage', it was pure thuggery.
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Who said he was heroic?
 
Shrinker said:
Who said he was heroic?
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Yesterday a close friend of Doyle’s told the Mail he was not a football fan and had simply been dropping off a friend in the city centre as a favour when the incident occurred.

‘I believe he was doing someone a favour and dropping his wife’s friend and her daughter off for an appointment,’ the friend said. ‘He is a nice lad. He has a heart of gold.’

It is understood Doyle, a former company director, passed out of the Royal Marine Commando Training Centre, also known as CTCRM, in 1991 and served with 43 Commando, the unit based in Arbroath, Angus, that helps secure the UK’s nuclear deterrent.

After leaving the Forces, the keen runner went on to read psychology and maths at a Russell Group university before moving into cyber security roles.

Another close friend of the middle-class Doyles said he and his wife, who have been married for 20 years, were churchgoers and involved with a local Scout group.
‘I just can’t believe it,’ she said. ‘They are like part of the family, we have known them for years, their boys grew up with our children, I’m stunned, I really am.

‘It’s so out of character. Paul doesn’t drink or smoke or anything like that. He is such a family man, really hard working. They are such a gorgeous family.’https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14762869/Liverpool-drug-driver-charged-parade-crush.html
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So, nobody said he was heroic. He seems to have led a decent family life, and yes, in a cul-de-sac. What's your problem with reporting any of that? Clearly that's what news editors found interesting about the story: not the usual ranting ideologue, but just an average guy. And it is interesting. I find it morbidly fascinating and frightening but probably not in the way most people do.
 
Shrinker said:
So, nobody said he was heroic. He seems to have led a decent family life, and yes, in a cul-de-sac. What's your problem with reporting any of that? Clearly that's what news editors found interesting about the story: not the usual ranting ideologue, but just an average guy. And it is interesting. I find it morbidly fascinating and frightening but probably not in the way most people do.
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Well, it's usually implied these guys are somehow heroic but what we weren't told is that Doyle was only in the marines for 22-months, with an early discharge and also highly unlikely to be a PTSD issue (as often happened with those who went to Iraq or Afghanistan). Doyle is interesting from a psychological POV. My guess (note the word 'guess') is that there is something in his childhood that has given him this uncontrollable anger management issue. Someone said he was known to drive in a state of habitual rage and sense of entitlement. I saw something similar in my former father-in-law, otherwise, a really, really nice guy. He would drive too fast and go red with rage at other road users. My ex-husband said that when he was a kid and accidentally smashed a window whilst playing football; to his shock, his dad got a knife and punctured the football. It turned out that his father's father came from a desperately poverty-stricken background. Dad had passed his 11-plus (and he was a witty and interesting conversationalist) but his parents couldn't afford the school uniform so he never went to grammar school, despite being incredibly bright. He did well however, earning good money installing central heating and he and his wife live in a lovely house in an affluent area, enjoying a better than average middle class existence, with the kids going to the best schools and university. So where did his rage come from, that could descend typically at the drop of a hat? The answer lay, I believe, in the fact his own father had been a foundling, like Charlie Chaplin. The grandfather had been found abandoned as a baby somewhere in Croydon and had never known family life. By all accounts, he grew up to be a thoroughly unpleasant character and grown up, he and his family often had no money at all, using newspaper for a table cloth and taking out his terrible temper and cruelty on my ex-father-in-law who grew up living in fear of his dad. So IMV Doyle's anger issues is likely a generational one and this seems possible from his history of over-reacting to perceived slights and uncontrollable 'road rage' as a behavioural pattern. For example, biting off that guy's ear in a fight. Almost like being in a semi-permanent state of fear and terror. Of course, that is no excuse for his criminal behaviour. Perhaps he could have sought help for it earlier. One wonders how he was with his wife and kids.
 
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