Cancel culture IRL

[Ron Obvious]

I'd say "Cancel Culture" is mobs assembling to demand the sacking or non-platforming of anyone deemed guilty of wrongthink, even measuring the past by current fashions. I'd say the Teen Vogue case appplies.

These days, it's mostly a kind of McCarthyism of the left: "are you now, or have you ever been a bigot?". Even complete self-flagellation and refutation of what is currently deemed to be bigoted wrongthink may not save you, though.

 

[dirtywick]

Well we disagree. She was fired for opinions expressed at 17.

Do you also think firing is a trivial experience?

No being fired sucks. I’m just not sure you can call it cancel culture though.

Anyway it puts the magazine in a tough spot. Companies aren’t particularly good venues for taking controversial moral stances. The expectation that they are supposed to alienate consumers and other employees to stand up for moral issues isn’t realistic imo

 

[lobosrul5]

I'd say "Cancel Culture" is mobs assembling to demand the sacking or non-platforming of anyone deemed guilty of wrongthink, even measuring the past by current fashions. I'd say the Teen Vogue case appplies.

These days, it's mostly a kind of McCarthyism of the left: "are you now, or have you ever been a bigot?". Even complete self-flagellation and refutation of what is currently deemed to be bigoted wrongthink may not save you, though.

But there were no "mobs" demanding she be fired, not even metaphorical online mobs. Her tweets were revealed in the hiring process, but they hired her anyways. Then some employees called into question hiring her with her history... One of whom used a racial epitaph in the last. So this is a case of hypocrisy and some questionable hiring/firing practices.

 

[d4m10n]

But there were no "mobs" demanding she be fired, not even metaphorical online mobs.

That's not how I remember it:

Over the past several days, Condé Nast has been flooded with criticism and debate over the selection of Alexi McCammond as Teen Vogue’s new editor-in-chief.

Source: https://www.thedailybeast.com/ulta-pulls-teen-vogue-ads-over-new-editor-in-chiefs-old-racist-tweets

 

[catsmate]

I see Alan "Free speech" Dershowitz is being his usual hypocritical self.

 

[Darat]

Same answer, though.

Evidence that she belonged to this group?

 

[Darat]

I see Alan "Free speech" Dershowitz is being his usual hypocritical self.

The “right” have long been masters of the technique of silencing people.

 

[d4m10n]

Evidence that she belonged to this group?

Leading the team at Teen Vogue.

 

[mumblethrax]

These standards are kind of impossible to live by, and the whole thing does give the impression of a circular firing squad.

Maybe twitter et al should just expire posts after a few years. Getting people fired for the ****** things they said when they were teenagers is immensely destructive. Everybody knows that teenagers suck.

 

[theprestige]

There's a bit of a cancel war brewing on r/askreddit right now. Currently, the establishment is winning by default, but it'll be interesting to see how it develops over the next week or so.

 

[pgwenthold]

These standards are kind of impossible to live by, and the whole thing does give the impression of a circular firing squad.

Maybe twitter et al should just expire posts after a few years. Getting people fired for the ****** things they said when they were teenagers is immensely destructive. Everybody knows that teenagers suck.

OK, someone correct me if I am wrong, but the person from Teen Vogue was fired not because of any twitter mob or anything like that, but because of issues brought up by her own co-workers.

So what I wonder is, why would co-workers be dredging up old tweets? Especially if it is really true that these old tweets do not represent her current opinions or views? Why would her co-workers go after her like that?

Unless, of course, he co-workers have some reason now that they want her gone, and figuring they don't have the power to get it done with standard complaints, used her own social media history against her?

Doesn't sound to me like she was all that popular among her co-workers. Happy co-workers don't go looking up old tweets to bring someone down, they will instead stand up for the person. Happy co-workers will say things like, "She may have said that but she isn't like that anymore."

Maybe, just maybe, there's more to this than old tweets?

 

[mumblethrax]

OK, someone correct me if I am wrong, but the person from Teen Vogue was fired not because of any twitter mob or anything like that, but because of issues brought up by her own co-workers.

I have no idea, but I didn't say anything about mobs.

So what I wonder is, why would co-workers be dredging up old tweets? Especially if it is really true that these old tweets do not represent her current opinions or views? Why would her co-workers go after her like that?

For any number of reasons. Interpersonal conflicts in the workplace are a thing.

In any case, I don't think people should get fired for the ****** things they said when they were teenagers, irrespective of whether Sandy from accounting has it out for you. A decent way of dealing with that would be to just not make the things we say as teenagers immortal.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

There's a bit of a cancel war brewing on r/askreddit right now. Currently, the establishment is winning by default, but it'll be interesting to see how it develops over the next week or so.

It's only become mainstream knowledge now that they hired [redacted]. But they and their fellow [redacted] have been mods of LGBT and youth subreddits for a long time. They still will be if they are fired.

 

[d4m10n]

It's only become mainstream knowledge now that they hired [redacted]. But they and their fellow [redacted] have been mods of LGBT and youth subreddits for a long time. They still will be if they are fired.

Why redacted? Are we not allowed to mention Aimee ****** on here?

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Why redacted? Are we not allowed to mention Aimee ****** on here?

I don't know if there is a rule for doxing non-members, but I was just doing it because it is funny how the censoring started it all.

 

[Emily's Cat]

I forget who coined "**** Masada" to describe the process.

Next up:
https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1373993677190787080

What kind of narcissitic blind spot does it take for this to happen?

From the newsweek article linked:

Tariq Nasheed, film producer and a social media commentator, said: "Teen Vogue got rid of a Black female staffer for saying the word 'Asian' in some old tweets.

"And the white media boosted that story. But Teen Vogue still employs a white/Asian staffer named Christine Davitt who tweeted anti-Black epithets, now the white media is radio silent"

 

[Shalamar]

It's only become mainstream knowledge now that they hired [redacted]. But they and their fellow [redacted] have been mods of LGBT and youth subreddits for a long time. They still will be if they are fired.

Looks like they were fired.

A successful canceling! Lets see who opposes it..

 

[Mumbles]

I have no idea, but I didn't say anything about mobs.


For any number of reasons. Interpersonal conflicts in the workplace are a thing.

In any case, I don't think people should get fired for the ****** things they said when they were teenagers, irrespective of whether Sandy from accounting has it out for you. A decent way of dealing with that would be to just not make the things we say as teenagers immortal.

It doesn’t help that we aren’t merely discussing teens, but also teen on 2011-era Twitter, before it became an organizing tool for violence. Pretty much anything went at that point - including mass harassment campaigns like Gamergate, white supremacist criminals spewing slurs openly, and so forth. This was *befoe* 4channers were using generic avatars of black people to push pseudo-feminist nonsense.

But like I said, there was a strong whiff of “I deserve that job” in play in this particular case, which can turn ugly fast.

 

[d4m10n]

A successful canceling! Lets see who opposes it..

I do, at least until some justification is given beyond internet furor.

 

[theprestige]

Looks like they were fired.

A successful canceling! Lets see who opposes it..

As far as I know, the person in question is still moderating one or more subreddits they probably shouldn't be. I don't think the cancellation has been entirely successful yet.