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Cancel culture IRL

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dirtywick said:
I can think of two explanations for why we don't hear about them. One is the obvious one, it's just not happening that often. The other is that it is happening often it's just not being reported, and the anti-cancel culture watch dogs are more concerned with hosts of tabloid gossip shows than actual harm to real people.
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I guess we really have no idea how often it happens to the little guy. At the beginning of the pandemic when masks were a hot commodity somebody on our local Reddit took a picture of a woman selling masks on the street and a burn the witch thread ensued. It never actually made the news but a few posters stated they were going to go have a talk with her.

This was before people started to realize that Asians wore masks to protect other people from their aerosols, that a cloth mask wasn't something you wore to protect yourself. This woman was selling cloth masks designed to be worn Asian style, not PPE style.

Media types are concerned with people they figure we might give a crap about, and everybody gives a crap about celebrities, right ?
 
d4m10n said:
I'dn't've heard o'em'tall but for my intersection w/ the skeptical community. First one I'd ever seen was a skeptic dude accused of upskirting at TAM.
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I remember reading about that one. That was a lot of people's introduction to the selfie stick.
 
Stout said:
I guess we really have no idea how often it happens to the little guy. At the beginning of the pandemic when masks were a hot commodity somebody on our local Reddit took a picture of a woman selling masks on the street and a burn the witch thread ensued. It never actually made the news but a few posters stated they were going to go have a talk with her.

This was before people started to realize that Asians wore masks to protect other people from their aerosols, that a cloth mask wasn't something you wore to protect yourself. This woman was selling cloth masks designed to be worn Asian style, not PPE style.

Media types are concerned with people they figure we might give a crap about, and everybody gives a crap about celebrities, right ?
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maybe people need to stop supporting some of these tabloid journalists that are more concerned about Sharon Osborne and Gina Carano and support journalists that report on real issues that effect real people.

oh wait
 
dirtywick said:
I can think of two explanations for why we don't hear about them. One is the obvious one, it's just not happening that often. The other is that it is happening often it's just not being reported, and the anti-cancel culture watch dogs are more concerned with hosts of tabloid gossip shows than actual harm to real people.
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I vaguely remember "Kroger Andy" - mostly because the people that supposedly love to cancel people mostly said "Why the hell are you going after this dude that doesn't get paid to wrestle potentially armed lunatics that have no regard for the safety of others? Leave him alone!"

From what I've seen on this Osborne woman, it's much the same - most people are saying to fire her, and let the show move forward without her, so the other workers (particularly the ones not yapping on camera" can get paid.
 
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Stout said:
This is like Atheism Plus all over again. :thumbsup: Remember those guys and how they cancelled each other into oblivion.
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All things considered, it seems much more like right-wingers digging through her Twitter archives, combined with people at Teen Vogue who thought they deserved her job more than she did - especially given that they outright said as much.

Meanwhile, poor Sharon Osborne is getting death threats. I thought the more progressive members of society were opposed to death threats. Oh well, I suppose it's deep cover MAGA CHUD nazis using psyops Twitter accounts just to make progressives look bad. Yea, that's it.
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Or, just that many people who oppose anti-black racism are not committed to nonviolence and refuse to send death threats.

Which, um, nope. Never said that one - and quite a few of us have warned about the exact opposite. As examples, the many videos of some white guy calling a black person "the N word", and then the black person beating the crap out of them. Or the repeated advise that, instead of teargassing entire city blocks because one guy in a protest yelled something rude, let the crowd drown them out on their own.

I mean, we've had these exact conversations over and over and over, i'd think you'd figure out the plain meaning of the words eventually...

Now, are *some* of these people actually white nationalists? Quite possibly, they're very fond of threats and violence, as you might have noticed. Are there also some pissed off black people who also respond with threats? Could be, easily.

ETA: This is all to say, the fact that black people aren't all superstrong brutes who attack without provocation and will rape white women at the drop of a hat, doesn't mean that they're all angels from heaven. Rejecting the former stereotype (which was really just an excuse to torture and murder "uppity" black people after the US civil war), doesn't mean that the latter is correct. But people who repeatedly argue for the former are, unfortunately, taken far to seriously in forums like these, which only distorts any conversation.

In other words, the "marketplace of ideas" functions better when people stop repeatedly demanding we test-drive the car that reliably spews flaming tar directly on the driver.
 
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Stout said:
Attention

Alexi McCammond has been cancelled.

That is all.
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Is that your definition of “cancelled” then i.e. fired from job?

d4m10n said:
La révolution dévore ses enfants.
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Not understanding this reference, which revolutionary group did she belong to, that then turned on her? (And I accept that you will mean revolution in an illustrative manner not actual revolution)
 
Darat said:
Is that your definition of “cancelled” then i.e. fired from job?
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Pretty much. Why was she fired? For expressing opinions as a teenager she since recanted and apologised for. Can’t think of a better example to be honest.

How would you feel if opinions you expressed as a teenager resurfaced and an Internet posse demanded you be sacked?

And do you think being fired is some sort of mild inconvenience? If so, you have led a wonderfully sheltered life.
 
She was fired, but I don't think she was cancelled. The complaints were from staff, they sided with their existing staff, and it was already done when it was reported. The public outcry isn't about what she tweeted, it was about how she was fired after it had happened.
 
dirtywick said:
She was fired, but I don't think she was cancelled. The complaints were from staff, they sided with their existing staff, and it was already done when it was reported. The public outcry isn't about what she tweeted, it was about how she was fired after it had happened.
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Well we disagree. She was fired for opinions expressed at 17.

Do you also think firing is a trivial experience?
 
Darat said:
Not understanding this reference, which revolutionary group did she belong to, that then turned on her?
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If you're asking what the social movement (the one which demands deplatforming/disemployment/divestment of problematic persons) should be called, I would suggest third-wave antiracism (following McWhorter) when we're talking about incidents such as the tweets from Alexi McCammond and Christine Davitt.
 
d4m10n said:
If you're asking what the social movement (the one which demands deplatforming/disemployment/divestment of problematic persons) should be called, I would suggest third-wave antiracism (following McWhorter) when we're talking about incidents such as the tweets from Alexi McCammond and Christine Davitt.
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No - I was asking you what group she belonged to that turned on her.
 
lionking said:
Well we disagree. She was fired for opinions expressed at 17.

Do you also think firing is a trivial experience?
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I think the distinction is that she was fired because her own staff asked for it, not because of some outside social media campaign.

We have been admonished in this thread that the way to fight cancel culture is to be cautious of joining on-line campaigns without first doing research. I'm at a loss to figure out how that would have prevented this firing.

To be clear, I think her employer handled this poorly and they should have helped her to better deal with the predictable criticism from within her own staff. But, if your staff is not behind you then it is very hard to be an effective leader. After not dealing with the issue preemptively, they could have let her stay and be ineffective, but who is that helping, exactly?
 
So the facts on the Alexi McCammond firing are interesting. Teen Vogue apparently already know about her past tweets when they hired her. This wasn't an outside twitter campaign it was other employees working there... one of whom used the "n word" in old tweets. So I'm guessing turnabout is fair play for her.

https://www.newsweek.com/teen-vogue...cammond-firing-also-made-racist-tweet-1577727

I think in SOME states she (McCammond) will have a successful wrongful termination suit. Should employers be allowed to fire employees for actions they already knew about? This is a different animal than any of the "cancel culture" situations previously discussed.
 
lobosrul5 said:
So the facts on the Alexi McCammond firing are interesting. Teen Vogue apparently already know about her past tweets when they hired her. This wasn't an outside twitter campaign it was other employees working there... one of whom used the "n word" in old tweets. So I'm guessing turnabout is fair play for her.

https://www.newsweek.com/teen-vogue...cammond-firing-also-made-racist-tweet-1577727

I think in SOME states she (McCammond) will have a successful wrongful termination suit. Should employers be allowed to fire employees for actions they already knew about? This is a different animal than any of the "cancel culture" situations previously discussed.
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Yeah, this is a ****-show. Teen Vogue doesn't come out of this looking very good at all. But, I don't see it as Cancel Culture, whatever Cancel Culture actually is.
 
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