Cancel culture IRL

[Stout]

I seem to recall some talk about Pepe La Pew not having anything to do with social commentary. In fact I recall a mild mocking of the idea. As it turns out the actor who filmed the scene would like to deliver a stiletto heel to the balls refutation of that dismissal.

Santo, who posted a playful Instagram shot of herself on set, told The Times that she was disappointed to learn that the scene had been cut from the film. She said its message was meaningful to her as someone who had spoken out against sexual harassment.

“For me, it was so important to have this scene in a movie to inspire the younger generations, and also the older generations, so we can correct that behavior,” said Santo, who is best known for portraying the telenovela character Blanca in “Jane the Virgin.” “I felt that this scene was a way to show kids that this kind of behavior is wrong.”

Source.

 

[Stout]

David Bateson, the professor who kept those reprehensible comments under his hat and failed in his duty to report his comrade for wrongspeak has resigned.

Source.

Batson, in a letter he shared with The Washington Post, apologized.

“In the moment, my heartfelt response was to point the discussion toward what I believe is our personal responsibility — to be aware of and respond to potential unconscious bias in all our undertakings,” Batson wrote. “I understand, however, that I missed the chance to respond in a more direct manner to address the inappropriate content of those remarks.”

CANCELLED !

 

[Delphic Oracle]

David Bateson, the professor who kept those reprehensible comments under his hat and failed in his duty to report his comrade for wrongspeak has resigned.

Source.



CANCELLED !

Yes, when someone does not act on their responsibilities, they may face disciplinary consequences.

The person "cancelled" indicates their own complicity in fairly straightforward fashion.

What is it you disagree with?

 

[d4m10n]

That definition you keep referring to quite clearly says that a “cancelling” must take place for it to qualify as “cancel culture”.

You said Kroger Andy wasn’t “cancelled”.

Can anyone else spot the difference between ______ing and ______ed?

By way of illustration, suppose John undertakes to donate sperm.

1) What is John doing in the private room? He is donating sperm.

2) What has John accomplished today? He has donated sperm.

Is is possible for statement (1) to have been true at some point without (2) becoming true at any point thereafter, for example, if someone pulls the fire alarm at the sperm bank before the process has completed. This is because the process of sperm donation (much like the process of cancellation) has an end goal which must be attained before one can rightfully refer to it in the past tense.

That definition you keep referring to quite clearly says that a “cancelling” must take place for it to qualify as “cancel culture”.

The definition pretty much makes it clear what "cancelling" should be taken means in that context, that is, "the popular practice of withdrawing support" from individuals because they have done something objectionable, e.g. trying to get someone sacked for failing to effectively modify the behavior of Kroger patrons.

 

[Cavemonster]

Saying that, for example, the black students in a class appear to have lower grades than the white students in the class, is not inherently or necessarily racist. However, saying that this is because of their skin colour would be a racist statement.

All of the time our SJW crowd spend clutching their pearls over something they have unilaterally decided is "racist", would be better spent investigating whether or not black students ARE actually under-performing, and if they are, then why this is the case, and what can be done to improve the situation.

I see a lot of hand-wringing and poutrage in this case, but I'm not seeing a lot of addressing if the actual issue.

But it's not like people DON'T spend quite a lot of energy studying why there are racial disparities in academic acheivement and working up how to address them. And when people do propose solutions, they're often derrided as "SJW nonsense" or reverse racism.

And then folks come into a different discussion and say something like "WHy aRN't thr sJws addresSing tHose thINgs?"

It the same as attempt to come into discussions of police behavior and ask 'Why aren't you talking about black on black violence?'

So I don't blame SJWs for ignoring academic disparity. The people working on that right now ARE SJWs.

Now I only saw that oone clip of this particular conversation and the article was a little light on context. I could see a generally benign interpretation of what the professor said, along the lines of what has been proposed here in her defense.

But I'm more wondering, where's her action on this disparity. She's on the front lines. She's crafting curricula, she's part of departmental and faculty meetings setting policy at this particular institution. If she's noticing this disparity in her classes, what is she doing about it? She's in much more of a position to understand the specific issues and take action than any of us internet randos.

Now I would HOPE that the rest of the recorded conversation that I didn't see was something along the lines of " I noticed that every year, the lowest performing students in my class tended to be black... so I've been taking the following actions to understand the proximal causes of that disparity and address it as an important part of my role serving all of the students here."

As this continues to be discussed in public, maybe it will come out that her thought continued in that vein.

If it went more like "I notice year after year that the black students in my classes are getting the lowest grades... and I took no further action to understand or address that disparity, just shrugged my shoulders and felt awkward about it." Then I'd suggest her abdication of responsibility to ALL her students is a more serious issue than whether her word choice sounded kinda racist.

 

[Cavemonster]

First off, no you didn't. You claimed that I was VERY inclined to shame the complainants. I had to give you the obvious correction that I rarely talk about the complainant, instead usually asking why posters are knee-jerking an uncharitable and unevidenced view of the accused.

The subtle reframing of what you said, and my response, is profoundly dishonest of you. I asked you not to be dishonest.

I did lead with the observation that you seem to find ways to cast black complaintants in a negative light. The other side of that was how you hold the feeling of white people in the same stories in very high regard. That's the other side of the same coin. I chose my words carefully here to make the contrast clear, and to highlight the part that was relevant to this particular thread.

I'm sorry if you feel that's dishonest. If you feel it's inconsistent with my previous posts, perhaps I didn't clearly convey what I wished to in other posts. I'm happy to answer any questions if you are confused.

Second off, you might want to consider that I would have no way of knowing that you were picking up in the middle of another exchange from another thread weeks ago. Not exactly on my mind anymore. If you were a little less cryptic, that'd be great.

This is the second time I've posted for the same purpose, to fulfill your explicit request. I thought you'd catch the pattern. But hopefully it's clear now.

But since you brought it up again, you have yet to show even ONE of the "numerous" threads where I am "VERY inclined to shame the complainant". Based on melanin, as you elaborated. Or you can slink off without supporting your claim.

I'll continue to do that the next time I see that half of the issue. There's not much detail people making this complaint. i'll point it out next time. I'm not super interested in diving deep through the archives, so it's easier to spot it when it's current. Who knows, maybe you'll change your approach and I won't have anything to bring up.

 

[Stout]

Yes, when someone does not act on their responsibilities, they may face disciplinary consequences.

Yes, that's what I said. He had a duty to report that he shirked and once he was discovered he issued an apology and promptly resigned. Let's just hope he doesn't use his white male privilege to seek another position in law and spends the rest of his days working in a field or driving a taxi.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Yes, that's what I said. He had a duty to report that he shirked and once he was discovered he issued an apology and promptly resigned. Let's just hope he doesn't use his white male privilege to seek another position in law and spends the rest of his days working in a field or driving a taxi.

I'm hoping perhaps they learn and grow from the experience and go on to make better decisions going forward or may be in a position to caution others on how to avoid making the same mistake.

 

[Cavemonster]

Yes, that's what I said. He had a duty to report that he shirked and once he was discovered he issued an apology and promptly resigned. Let's just hope he doesn't use his white male privilege to seek another position in law and spends the rest of his days working in a field or driving a taxi.

I think you might misunderstand what privilege means.
This guy had the great advantage to get a wonderful education and work experience. It does nobody any favors to throw that away.

 

[dirtywick]

I seem to recall some talk about Pepe La Pew not having anything to do with social commentary. In fact I recall a mild mocking of the idea. As it turns out the actor who filmed the scene would like to deliver a stiletto heel to the balls refutation of that dismissal.



Source.

To clarify I said the Pepe le Pew cartoons from the 40-80s weren’t social commentary and I still stand by the idea that they were is unbelievable. Trying to turn his character into a social commentary in 2021, while certainly valid and I understand her position, isn’t the same thing I was commenting on.

Edit

In fact, I think turning his character from a comedic character into a social commentary on how big of a piece of **** he is now only highlights the fact that he was a wildly inappropriate character at the time and reinforces how much people’s opinions and values have changed since then.

 

[Stout]

I'm hoping perhaps they learn and grow from the experience and go on to make better decisions going forward or may be in a position to caution others on how to avoid making the same mistake.

Maybe, but they're both now unemployed and their names are attached to a race scandal so being in a position to caution others seems rather unlikely unless they become diversity counselors.

 

[Stout]

I think you might misunderstand what privilege means.
This guy had the great advantage to get a wonderful education and work experience. It does nobody any favors to throw that away.

I'm well aware of what white male privilege means and the role it played in his getting this wonderful education and work experience and his removal from the field( and academia ) will open up a new position to be filled by a diversity candidate.

 

[Cavemonster]

I'm well aware of what white male privilege means and the role it played in his getting this wonderful education and work experience and his removal from the field( and academia ) will open up a new position to be filled by a diversity candidate.

You're not particularly well aware if you think discussing privilege is advocating for people's education and experience to go to waste.

You're advancing a straw argument.

 

[Stout]

To clarify I said the Pepe le Pew cartoons from the 40-80s weren’t social commentary and I still stand by the idea that they were is unbelievable. Trying to turn his character into a social commentary in 2021, while certainly valid and I understand her position, isn’t the same thing I was commenting on.

Edit

In fact, I think turning his character from a comedic character into a social commentary on how big of a piece of **** he is now only highlights the fact that he was a wildly inappropriate character at the time and reinforces how much people’s opinions and values have changed since then.

Yes, I noticed your misreading of my post and the misinterpretation of it but I didn't thing that, in the grand scheme of things, it mattered very much. I'd never classify the original cartoons as social commentary however I did read somewhere that the Pepe character was based on some guy in the Warner Bros. office who couldn't understand why the women he was hitting on wouldn't return his affections. Calling that social commentary though, is a bit of a stretch, even for me.

It was the response based on that misreading that prompted my latest post on the subject and when that article just dropped in my lap today, I just had to use it.

 

[Stout]

You're not particularly well aware if you think discussing privilege is advocating for people's education and experience to go to waste.

You're advancing a straw argument.

I'm talking about how he might have got that opportunity in the first place and if he got it through unearned privilege then maybe it's time that he paid his dues, so to speak.

 

[d4m10n]

The person "cancelled" indicates their own complicity in fairly straightforward fashion.

Complicity implies immorality, yeah?

(If so, what exactly did he do wrong?)

 

[dirtywick]

Yes, I noticed your misreading of my post and the misinterpretation of it but I didn't thing that, in the grand scheme of things, it mattered very much. I'd never classify the original cartoons as social commentary however I did read somewhere that the Pepe character was based on some guy in the Warner Bros. office who couldn't understand why the women he was hitting on wouldn't return his affections. Calling that social commentary though, is a bit of a stretch, even for me.

It was the response based on that misreading that prompted my latest post on the subject and when that article just dropped in my lap today, I just had to use it.

I didn’t intentionally misread your post. I’m glad you shared the article.

 

[angrysoba]

Cuomo describes the calls for his resignation as "cancel culture", using the phrase twice during his defensive press conference today.

Apparently it's woke-scolds gone wild to demand that the governor not be a serial sexual harasser.

Cancel Culture??!? Holy crap! Try #metoo with a side order of gross negligence.

 

[johnny karate]

Can anyone else spot the difference between ______ing and ______ed?

By way of illustration, suppose John undertakes to donate sperm.

1) What is John doing in the private room? He is donating sperm.

2) What has John accomplished today? He has donated sperm.

Is is possible for statement (1) to have been true at some point without (2) becoming true at any point thereafter, for example, if someone pulls the fire alarm at the sperm bank before the process has completed. This is because the process of sperm donation (much like the process of cancellation) has an end goal which must be attained before one can rightfully refer to it in the past tense.

The definition pretty much makes it clear what "cancelling" should be taken means in that context, that is, "the popular practice of withdrawing support" from individuals because they have done something objectionable, e.g. trying to get someone sacked for failing to effectively modify the behavior of Kroger patrons.

“Cancelling” is quite obviously being used as a noun, not a verb. Nice try, though.

It really is amusing to watch you twist yourself into knots to fit a square peg into a round hole, especially since you chose both the peg and the hole.

Seriously, just admit the definition you chose is inadequate and find another one.

 

[johnny karate]

Maybe, but they're both now unemployed and their names are attached to a race scandal so being in a position to caution others seems rather unlikely unless they become diversity counselors.

Yes, it’s a real bummer when the things you say and do have consequences.

If only there was some way they both could have avoided this...