Cancel culture IRL

[Stout]

Family Guy is not a program for children.

Which version to the skunk to children need protecting from ? The new one where he gets the crap beaten out of him for committing sexual assault or the ancient one that pretty much no children are watching ?

We need to be talking about how cancel culture contributes to the continued marginalization of skunks.

 

[Stout]

“Intellectual honesty” seems as good a reason as any. But that’s difficult. Making unsupported assertions in drive-by posts is much easier.

Speaking of intellectual honesty, nice snip job. You know the subject was taking a defensible position specifically on Carano's firing.

 

[Stout]

I don’t know what you mean by “You wan(sic) to go with rape culture cartoons?”. I didn’t bring up rape culture cartoons or Pepé Le Pew, so I have no idea what you’re talking about.

But Quagmire and Pepé Le Pew are different, in at least one significant way already pointed out. I’m not sure why saying that is controversial.

Such a weird game the anti-cancel culture people play.

They insist everything is under threat to be cancelled, and then when it’s pointed out that not everything is the same, it becomes this clumsy attempt to make hypocrisy accusations.

Ooooo I got a (sic) for a typo. Good catch.

Maybe you missed it but the whole issue, the latest one from the NYT, of cancelling the skunk revolves around rape culture. Please try to keep up.

If you scroll back, you'll see that the whole Quagmire/skunk thing was in response to a post you didn't make so why it's important to state that you didn't bring up rape culture is a real head scratchier.

 

[johnny karate]

Speaking of intellectual honesty, nice snip job. You know the subject was taking a defensible position specifically on Carano's firing.

This is the original claim from another poster I was disputing:
“The thing that was worrying about Gina Carano, is that a lot of the pressure to cancel her came about just because she was unapologetically proud of her political affiliation, and other people of the opposite party did not agree and put pressure to remove her.”

You then inserted yourself into the discussion and have taken up the convenient position of disagreeing with me while not actually defending the original claim.

So basically, you’re arguing just to argue and have no actual argument to make.

 

[johnny karate]

Ooooo I got a (sic) for a typo. Good catch.

Maybe you missed it but the whole issue, the latest one from the NYT, of cancelling the skunk revolves around rape culture. Please try to keep up.

If you scroll back, you'll see that the whole Quagmire/skunk thing was in response to a post you didn't make so why it's important to state that you didn't bring up rape culture is a real head scratchier.

It might be because your post was directed to me:

Why an excuse to try and paint Quagmire as not so bad as the skunk, of course. You wan to go with rape culture cartoons ? I've given you rape culture cartoons on steroids.

When you speak to a person and use the word “you”, that person is going to think you’re referring to them.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

In a way, Carano was cancelled for being a Republican, but only in the sense that modern Republicanism is increasingly about being deliberately unpleasant to trigger the libs.

Principled conservatives are a dying breed within the party. Politicians that actually care about certain issues, say like Romney or McCain, are increasingly becoming irrelevant. Advocacy for deregulation or low taxes or trickle down economics is becoming a fringe issue within the party.

Republicanism is increasingly becoming little more than a collection of anti-social behaviors and attitudes including overt bigotry and general nuisance behavior. Take Covid as an example. The Republican response has been to flout any public health measures merely for the purpose of irritating liberals.

In the most direct sense, Carano was not fired for being a conservative. She was fired for being a nuisance, with anti-trans and mask wearing mockery, unhinged conspiracies of election fraud, and trivializing the Holocaust. While these are not political positions, this attitude is very much what it means right now to be an American conservative.

ETA: Which is why conservatives are so singularly worried about "cancel culture". If being obnoxious, anti-social jerks is becoming their political identity, which is seems to be, undermining means of accountability is an important project.

 

[d4m10n]

But again, you already answered the question.

I answered only one of two possible questions, but this time I'll answer both.

If "cancelled" should be taken to mean "subjected to a performance of public shaming" then I'd say Andy was clearly cancelled.

If "cancelled" should be taken to mean "sanctioned by their employer as a result of public shaming" then I'd say Andy was not cancelled.

I was perhaps wrong to assume you intended to inquire as to latter meaning rather than the former, but for some reason you're coyly refusing to clarify your intent now.

You’ve already said Kroger Andy wasn’t “cancelled” and you realized admitting that about the reason you started this thread isn’t a great look, so now you’re back-pedalling.

If you can come up with a definition of "cancel culture" which doesn't cover public shaming on Twitter and multiple calls to boycott the subject's employer, let's have it.

 

[Max_mang]

If it's ok to focus on just one case for a moment, I'm curious about the Kroger Andy case. I've tried looking for some objective info about this but it's hard to find any articles that don't have a slanted POV.

For folks that are familiar with the details, how much was Andy publicly shamed? Was it just the one person who posted his picture or did other people pile on? How bad did it get for him and for how long?

 

[dirtywick]

Which version to the skunk to children need protecting from ? The new one where he gets the crap beaten out of him for committing sexual assault or the ancient one that pretty much no children are watching ?

We need to be talking about how cancel culture contributes to the continued marginalization of skunks.

I have to ask for some evidence that the Pepe le pew character was ever intended to be a social commentary on sexual assault. It’s simply unbelievable. Seems to me it’s always been a parody of the gross Frenchmen stereotype. It’s the biggest difference between that and Quagmire, with Quagmire you know they’re joking but with old Looney Toons the stereotype is the joke.

 

[d4m10n]

For folks that are familiar with the details, how much was Andy publicly shamed? Was it just the one person who posted his picture or did other people pile on? How bad did it get for him and for how long?

Dunno how bad it got, but it was fairly easy to dig up a handful of replies calling for sanctions against him and/or his employer.

 

[Stout]

I have to ask for some evidence that the Pepe le pew character was ever intended to be a social commentary on sexual assault. It’s simply unbelievable. Seems to me it’s always been a parody of the gross Frenchmen stereotype. It’s the biggest difference between that and Quagmire, with Quagmire you know they’re joking but with old Looney Toons the stereotype is the joke.

I suppose you could call it social commentary on rape culture.

But wait until you hear about the scene with Pepe which was cut.

Pepe was set to appear in a black-and-white Casablanca-like Rick’s Cafe sequence. Pepe, playing a bartender, starts hitting on a woman at the bar played by Santo. He begins kissing her arm, which she pulls back, then slamming Pepe into the chair next to hers. She then pours her drink on Pepe, and slaps him hard, sending him spinning in a stool, which is then stopped by LeBron James’ hand. James and Bugs Bunny are looking for Lola, and Pepe knows her whereabouts. Pepe then tells the guys that Penelope cat has filed a restraining order against him. James makes a remark in the script that Pepe can’t grab other Tunes without their consent.

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I'd call the original a parody and I actually can't recall ever seeing the cartoon when I was a kid. I did however think you could explode a stick of dynamite in your hand and just end up blackened. Same sort of thing with falling off a cliff. Ah to be six years old again. Do kids of Loony Toons age understand the concept of parody ? About the only thing I would have gotten out of Pepe La Pew at that age was...."stupid skunk".

 

[dirtywick]

I suppose you could call it social commentary on rape culture.

You could, but I don't think you'd be very accurate in doing so. He was written in 1945 so it was either extraordinarily ahead of it's time or it's just making fun of the French and playing sexual harassment for laughs. Considering it was in a lineup of a bunch of cartoons dropping pianos on people who turn into accordions, I don't think nuance was their thing.

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I'd call the original a parody and I actually can't recall ever seeing the cartoon when I was a kid. I did however think you could explode a stick of dynamite in your hand and just end up blackened. Same sort of thing with falling off a cliff. Ah to be six years old again. Do kids of Loony Toons age understand the concept of parody ? About the only thing I would have gotten out of Pepe La Pew at that age was...."stupid skunk".

It sounds like they just wrote out an unnecessary scene that was just them avoiding and reprimanding his character anyway. Pepe le Pew got cancelled decades ago.

 

[Brainster]

The Teen Vogue editor seems to be headed rapidly towards cancellation:

Per a New York Post report, the cosmetic giant Ulta Beauty announced on Thursday that it was suspending a planned ad campaign that could’ve potentially run into the seven figures. Although the company didn’t explicitly tie its move to McCammond’s now-deleted, offensive tweets, it clearly alluded to the concerns raised by the site’s staff earlier in the week after Condé Nast tapped the 27-year-old Axios reporter to run the online magazine.

“Diversity and inclusion are core values at Ulta Beauty—and always have been,” a spokesperson for the billion-dollar cosmetics company said. “Our current spend with Teen Vogue is paused as we work with Condé Nast to evaluate the situation and determine next steps regarding our partnership.”

A little more context on her age at the time:

On Wednesday, McCammond issued a lengthy apology on Twitter for the racist and homophobic tweets that she posted in 2011, when she was 17 and 18 years old.

Some more details on the homophobia:

The source of their concern involved her relative lack of experience compared to some current staffers as well as some deleted tweets from 2011 — when McCammond was 17 or 18 years old and in college — where McCammond mocked Asians and casually used “gay” and “homo” as insults.

It's a very good thing that social media wasn't around in the 1990s, or every teenager from that era would be in trouble for using the comment, "That's so gay."

On the experience issue, let me say that anybody who had Twitter when they were in college is far too young to be running anything.

 

[johnny karate]

I answered only one of two possible questions, but this time I'll answer both.

If "cancelled" should be taken to mean "subjected to a performance of public shaming" then I'd say Andy was clearly cancelled.

If "cancelled" should be taken to mean "sanctioned by their employer as a result of public shaming" then I'd say Andy was not cancelled.

I was perhaps wrong to assume you intended to inquire as to latter meaning rather than the former, but for some reason you're coyly refusing to clarify your intent now.

Coyly refusing to clarifying my intent?

I asked a simple, straightforward question: How was Kroger Andy “cancelled”?

You replied: “He was not cancelled, thankfully.”

My “intent” is to find out how that then qualifies as “cancel culture”, and I’m not being particularly “coy” about it.

But instead, you want to make the conversation about defining terms that you’ve already defined in a question that you’ve already answered, all the while back-pedalling away from that answer.

If you can come up with a definition of "cancel culture" which doesn't cover public shaming on Twitter and multiple calls to boycott the subject's employer, let's have it.

It’s not my fault that your first example of “cancel culture” in this thread failed to meet the definition that you provided, and I certainly don’t have an obligation to provide another definition because yours failed.

 

[johnny karate]

The Teen Vogue editor seems to be headed rapidly towards cancellation:



A little more context on her age at the time:


Some more details on the homophobia

Yes, it continues to be a real shame when people are held accountable for the stupid, bigoted things they announce to the world.

It's a very good thing that social media wasn't around in the 1990s, or every teenager from that era would be in trouble for using the comment, "That's so gay."

Yes, because that’s exactly the same thing that happened here.

What brilliant insight.

 

[johnny karate]

I suppose you could call it social commentary on rape culture.

Yes, I’m sure Pepé Le Pew was meant to be a commentary on a concept that wouldn’t exist for another 30 years.

More brilliant insight.

 

[d4m10n]

I asked a simple, straightforward question: How was Kroger Andy “cancelled”?

You replied: “He was not cancelled, thankfully.”

What do you think I meant by that?

A) Andy wasn't subjected to a performance of public shaming (i.e. "cancel culture")

B) Andy didn't lose his job at Kroger

But instead, you want to make the conversation about defining terms that you’ve already defined in a question that you’ve already answered, all the while back-pedalling away from that answer.

Can you please remind me when I defined "cancelled" in the past tense?

(Bearing in mind, once again, that there is a big difference between "Damion is waxing the car" and "Damion has waxed the car" in that the second sentence implies a process which has reached a desired end goal.)

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Cancel watch level: Burnt Sienna.

Gov. Cuomo emergency press conference right now as calls for resignation increase.

 

[Thermal]

What do you think I meant by that?

A) Andy wasn't subjected to a performance of public shaming (i.e. "cancel culture")

B) Andy didn't lose his job at Kroger
Can you please remind me when I defined "cancelled" in the past tense?

(Bearing in mind, once again, that there is a big difference between "Damion is waxing the car" and "Damion has waxed the car" in that the second sentence implies a process which has reached a desired end goal.)

You are not being nearly pedantic enough for the current discussion.

"Damion is waxing the car" can also mean that Damion is the one who has agreed to be the car waxer. "Damion has waxed the car" can mean it has begun, but not necessarily been competed.

The idea here is to get bogged down in irrelevant precise definitions, that cannot then be perfectly defended. Nothing matters here but the points on the scoreboard, sailor. Get on message.

 

[Thermal]

Yes, I’m sure Pepé Le Pew was meant to be a commentary on a concept that wouldn’t exist for another 30 years.

More brilliant insight.

You pretty confident that rape culture didn't exist 30 years back? I'd say it goes back centuries, if not by that precise name.