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Cancel culture IRL

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Mumbles said:
Okay then, Hansine.
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Heh. Seriously? Your Baldrick-class cunning plan is to show what misgendering feels like to... someone who grew up being both genders? Like, really? Being a different gender based on which adults I was with was the only normal I knew. (Short story: mom wanted a boy and got one, grandma wanted a girl... and got one too. I was both.) You seriously think that calling me a girl name is even going to do anything?

Plus, when your best contribution is to invent nicknames for your opponent...(Which, no, I wasn't proposing to do; this is all you.) Yeah, that's... intellectual rock bottom.

But, hey, suit yourself. I don't mind. I'm certainly not going to stop you from continuing the debate at the kind of intellectual level that you CAN :p

Mumbles said:
...and also is not at all concerned about the Mexican couple who moved out because people kept screaming "Go back to where you came from spics!" at them, threw rocks through their windows, left threatening messages in their mailbox...all while the police shrugged and said "Nothing we can do."
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Again: that's entirely voluntary on my part, whether I want to care about specifically that or not. You don't get to decide that I have some duty to pick that specific fight or not.

But generally, the problem still remains: the idea that you can find
A. someone just not actively fighting the mob
completely indistinguishable from
B. the actual bigots doing the screaming and throwing rocks,
is just pure nonsense. It's just finding some easier to rationalize "us vs them" tribalism, where everyone who's not "us" is the enemy, but ultimately the same tribalism that drives them too.

Mumbles said:
And no matter if there's a bunch of racist crap hung up on the walls, and the conservatives complained about "those other n...um, liberals" who took the day off when Obama was inaugurated, to the only black person who went to work and listened on his headphones instead (note: actually happened to me)
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Yes, and? It's still not the same. The notion that
A. the guys actually harrassing the black guys
it's indistinguishable from
B. the guys who DIDN'T, if they didn't actively participate on the other side
is just nonsense.

In fact, since you mention those conservatives, you just demonstrate the same "if you're not actively with us, you're the enemy" mentality that motivates their hostility too. Just doing for the opposite political party, isn't making it anything else than the exact same kind of dumb tribalism that motivates them too.

Mumbles said:
Hey, you're the one throwing a fit about how awful it is to refer to people as they please, Hansine, not me. This is, whether you like it or not, a pretty good sign.
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Strawman. I'm not saying it's awful to refer to them that way, if that's what you wish. If you wish to put any extra effort on account of any particular person yourself, I'm not gonna stop you. I'm saying it's stupid and entitled to demand that anyone else does.
 
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angrysoba said:
Hmmm... we're running out of avenues. What can we do?
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No one complaining about “cancel culture” actually wants to do anything about it.

I mentioned Ted Cruz upthread. He’s been championing Carano on Twitter, along with many other prominent GOP politicians decrying “cancel culture” in general.

Are any of them actually going to do anything about it? Draft legislation that addresses it in any meaningful way?

Of course not.

It’s all just a big circle-jerk.
 
I very much expect "cancel culture" to become the tip of the spear for culture war nonsense now that Republicans are out of power.

Since they don't actually have the responsibility to govern, which is always a disaster whenever the GOP gets into power, they can just lob pointless barbs and inflame the tedious grievance culture that is the backbone of the modern conservative movement.
 
johnny karate said:
No one complaining about “cancel culture” actually wants to do anything about it.

I mentioned Ted Cruz upthread. He’s been championing Carano on Twitter, along with many other prominent GOP politicians decrying “cancel culture” in general.

Are any of them actually going to do anything about it? Draft legislation that addresses it in any meaningful way?

Of course not.

It’s all just a big circle-jerk.
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Sort of. Kinda.

As I was saying before, around each USA election, the Republicans come up with some simple buzzword or slogan -- like "taxation is theft" around one election, "job creators" around another, "SJW" around another, etc; and now it's "cancel culture" -- and then millions of their followers carpet-bomb forums and social media with it. It's got to be something simple, which needs no real brain power to repeat all over the place.

It's not supposed to actually propose solving it. Nobody was actually proposing to eliminate taxes, back when it was "taxation is theft", for example. So in a sense, yeah, it's a circle-jerk.

It's really supposed to be a meme, in the old sense of the word: an idea that propagates like a virus, as more and more people repeat it, to more and more other people. Not the new meaning of a pic with words added.

Of course, it usually has no staying power. It catches people off guard the first couple of times they hear it, and then people start figuring out what's wrong with that idea. It just has to peak shortly before elections, and then nobody cares any more.

So in a sense it also kinda works like a virus. It can hit you hard the first time, but then your immune system kills it and it stops doing anything the next time someone coughs it all over you.

Well, or at least it does for most people. Some people will keep having the illness for months or years :p
 
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johnny karate said:
What’s hilarious is that not only have these people not been cancelled, they’ve been coddled to the point of absurdity.

Gina Carano played a minor role on a television show and was engaged in conduct that directly insulted a family member of the star of that show. And she was given another chance.

She’s not a victim. She’s an entitled ***hole and her coworkers and employers eventually got tired of dealing with her entitled ***hole behavior.
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Exactly.

She has been spewing vile crap for quite a while at this point, and despite months of people like myself calling for her to be fired, Disney/Lucasfilm continued to protect her.

Luckily with people like this, if they realize they can get away with it, they continue to push the boundaries of what is acceptable until they say/post something the capitalists in charge actually believe will be harmful to their potential profits.

I used to be a big fan of hers, all the way back to when she was Crush on the American Gladiators reboot, but I have been done with her for a while now. And thankfully now is everyone else.

She can have fun playing in conservative martyrland.
 
Stout said:
I'm sure if we looked hard enough, we could come up with examples of this type of behaviour in the animal kingdom.
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That comment made me laugh out loud, trying to come up with an example. Maybe, bonobos who don't get into the whole sexual greeting thing?
 
d4m10n said:
I'd say at least half of them, unless they bring back Tano.



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So, by posting a clip from Song of the South are you saying Disney should just stop trying? They made a racist film 3 quarters of a century ago, before almost any of their workers were even born, so just give up and stop trying?

I mean TBF I think they should just release it. Put up a warning like Time Warner did with Gone With The Wind on HBO Max. Own up that you made a mistake a long time ago, but don't try and pretend it didn't happen.
 
johnny karate said:
No one complaining about “cancel culture” actually wants to do anything about it.

I mentioned Ted Cruz upthread. He’s been championing Carano on Twitter, along with many other prominent GOP politicians decrying “cancel culture” in general.

Are any of them actually going to do anything about it? Draft legislation that addresses it in any meaningful way?

Of course not.

It’s all just a big circle-jerk.
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Well, they sometimes come up with "ideas" if such a concept can be talked about in the broadest sense of the term, such as ending Section 230.

I think Ted Cruz's argument is like this:

"Steven Crowder was demonetized just for being a conservative!"

[Insert meme/Joe Morgue's Q&A here: "What, you mean just for calling for lower taxes, small government, Sunday meals with the family, going to church, saying you're English...etc...?"]

"No, he just got banned for using hate speech, calling another user of You Tube a "lispy queer" and that violated and that, apparently, crazily violates Terms and Conditions even though it is perfectly protected by the 1st Amendment or whatever..."

Is that what the kids are calling conservatism these days?

"Yeah, repeal Section 230, and then You Tube will have no right to take down hate speech or have their own Terms and Conditions and all protected speech will have to stay up. You Tube will be obliged to keep it up!"

I think some of them think (again, using the term broadly) or at the very least try to persuade their followers that this is a thing they can make happen. Some of them really believe that You Tube will be obliged to post self-proclaimed traditonal conservative views (AKA wanton misogyny, racism, homophobia and presumably porn - those conservatives can really surprise you!).
 
HansMustermann said:
But more importantly, no matter how big or small the effort, you don't get to decide for me that I MUST care about your pet issue.
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Sorry Hans. I thought you were cooler than that. I apologise for overestimating your compassion. That's a mistake I won't make again.

Oh and BTW. The "attack helicopter" thing was a stupid and ridiculous strawman. That's all I'm going to say.
 
lobosrul5 said:
So, by posting a clip from Song of the South are you saying Disney should just stop trying?
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I'm saying there's a sharp and salient distinction between screenplays a studio chooses to produce and ignorant comments their contract employees make on their own time. Probably easier to effectively shame/cancel individuals though.


I mean TBF I think they should just release it. Put up a warning like Time Warner did with Gone With The Wind on HBO Max.
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Emily's Cat said:
Believing stupid **** certainly didn't do much damage to Jenny McCarthy's career. :(
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Really? Has she actually been in anything that anyone even remembers?

I looked up her Wikipedia page and her filmography is .... unimpressive.

She seems to have received a lot of nominations for "worst actress".

Perhaps that's it. Despite being absolutely terrible it is amazing that she ever had any career to even speak of.
 
Besides, maybe that is the point. If you want to make a career out of being a loony, or a racist, or a homophobe, or some kind of crank, then it appears you can do this.

One guy even got to be president. He hypocritically featured in a TV show in which his catch-phrase was "You're Fired!" and now rails against people getting fired just for being douchebags that their employers would no longer put up with.

I mean, what is the argument here? That employers should be prevented for firing douchey employees?

Again, if that is the argument then are people like Ted Cruz and Donald Trump really the types of people who have a track record of standing up for the rights of workers?

Or do we not really care about those people? We only care about celebrity douchebags? We only care when people make a name for themselves because of their envelope-pushing edgelordism and then get shocked...shocked!... when they say something that actually has consequences for them.
 
d4m10n said:
What would your argument be against the MPAA blacklist? Surely movie studios have the legal right to decide which employees are too odious to hire.
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I asked you first. By answering my question with another question you are dodging mine.

So if you answer mine, I can answer yours.
 
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