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Cancel culture IRL

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SuburbanTurkey said:
Some real cancel culture, in case people forget what real censorship looks like.

https://www.thefire.org/new-york-se...unding-over-hate-speech-and-pro-bds-advocacy/
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Doesn't quite fit the definition, since no one is being targeted for cancellation. Government censorship isn't quite the same thing as "cancel culture," and may be significantly more serious. On the upside, this bill demonstrates how "hate speech" laws can be abused by those who'd brook no criticism of any given -ism. On the downside, this isn't the thread for it.
 
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d4m10n said:
Doesn't quite fit the definition, since no one is being targeted for cancellation. Government censorship isn't quite the same thing, and indeed is arguably significantly more serious.
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Reactionaries conflate the issues. Whatever niche definition of cancel culture you're operating under has very little to do with how it is wielded in the context of US politics.
 
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d4m10n said:
Doesn't quite fit the definition, since no one is being targeted for cancellation. Government censorship isn't the same thing as "cancel culture," and may be significantly more serious. On the upside, this bill demonstrates how "hate speech" laws can be abused by those who'd brook no criticism of any given -ism.
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I like how we’re now tightening up our definitions. Up until now, “cancellation” has pretty much been used to describe anything bad that happens to someone.

The good news is that at least we’re all acknowledging that this type of “cancellation” is actually serious.
 
johnny karate said:
Up until now, “cancellation” has pretty much been used to describe anything bad that happens to someone.
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If you say so, I suppose it must be true. No need to provide examples.

johnny karate said:
There have been multiple examples of “cancellations” brought up in this thread that don’t meet that definition. I don’t recall you objecting to their inclusion.
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Such a weirdly cryptic approach you're taking here. Am I supposed to comb back through the thread to guess which ones you're talking about?
 
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d4m10n said:
If you say so, I suppose it must be true. No need to provide examples.

Such a weirdly cryptic approach you're taking here. Am I supposed to comb back through the thread to guess which ones you're talking about?
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Let’s start with the “cancellation” that kicked off this thread.

How was Kroger Andy “cancelled”?
 
Given that there's a huge amount of evidence and examples, this cancel culture denial is starting to resemble climate change denial.
 
Stout said:
Given that there's a huge amount of evidence and examples, this cancel culture denial is starting to resemble climate change denial.
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Nope. All we have had examples of is behaviour that people have been up to since literally records began.
 
Darat said:
Nope. All we have had examples of is behaviour that people have been up to since literally records began.
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Nobody is arguing that this type of behaviour is new but using social media to whip up an instant mob is. I suppose someone could try arguing that social media mobs existed before social media existed, but that would be silly. No ?

It's a new term for a long established behaviour which has been made far easier to participate in since the creation of cheap and easy electronic communication, nothing more.
 
Stout said:
Given that there's a huge amount of evidence and examples, this cancel culture denial is starting to resemble climate change denial.
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Yes, because as we all know, climate change has been established as scientific fact by a bunch of people telling stories about the one time climate change happened to them.

What convinced me that it was a serious problem was when The Daily Mail ran that piece about Kazuo Ishiguro saying that a lot of young writers have noticed the polar ice caps are melting.
 
Stout said:
Nobody is arguing that this type of behaviour is new but using social media to whip up an instant mob is. I suppose someone could try arguing that social media mobs existed before social media existed, but that would be silly. No ?

It's a new term for a long established behaviour which has been made far easier to participate in since the creation of cheap and easy electronic communication, nothing more.
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And, of course, now the wrong people are on the receiving end of it. If the privileged and powerful weren’t facing the consequences of their actions, no one would have ever heard of “cancel culture”.
 
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Stout said:
Given that there's a huge amount of evidence and examples, this cancel culture denial is starting to resemble climate change denial.
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The point is that, while climate change has a number of well-researched effects, causes, and mechanisms, "cancel culture" seems to span everything from neo-nazis getting chased off college campuses, to copyright and trademark owners changing their product lines (whether or not they're prompted), to politicians being kicked out of office for clearly unethical behavior, to people outright *defending* people who someone is trying to shame on Twitter.

(But somehow typically not when right-winger people freak out over a movie concerning Jesus, or a deluge of death threats that Rep. Ilhan Omar gets every time Dolt 45 screamed that she should be deported and have her citizenship revoked, or Ted Cruz boycotting Netflix because he doesn't like some movie they're streaming)

If I had to come up with two words to describe the matter, it would be "moral panic" - it's an ill-defined threat from some group seen as opposition ("liberals", jews, black people, ect.), with few or no causes or notable effects - much like how D&D (or more recently, Pokémon) is linked to devil-worship.
 
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Mumbles said:
(But somehow typically not when right-winger people freak out over a movie concerning Jesus, or a deluge of death threats that Rep. Ilhan Omar gets every time Dolt 45 screamed that she should be deported and have her citizenship revoked, or Ted Cruz boycotting Netflix because he doesn't like some movie they're streaming)
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Those actions would defiantly fit the definition of cancel culture.Maybe not Trump shrieking from the podium but the social media death threats definitely would.

Cancel culture is just a term for something that exists, it's not some stupid right wing fabrication like the war on christmas and why so much effort is being put into "disproving" such a simple thing is rather curious. Defensiveness maybe ? Left wing fragility ?

If I had to come up with two words to describe the matter, it would be "moral panic"
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Exactly. A moral panic with a new emob twist.

Pokémon was linked with devil worship ? Lol, Now that's something I just have to run down.

ETA What do you know, Pokémon was deemed satanic. Most likely in the ancient tradition of keeping the community pure and safe like they used to do with witch hunts ( Aside, I highly recommend Tony Robinson's mini series Gods and Monsters for insight into just how screwed up people's thinking was back in the Middle Ages ) and I also forgot about all that satanic back masking whining that was going on back in the 1980s
 
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“Cancel culture is just a term for something that exists.”

Well, I’m convinced.
 
Stout said:
Given that there's a huge amount of evidence and examples, this cancel culture denial is starting to resemble climate change denial.
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Who is the corporate sponsor for Cancel Culture Denial?

I need an XOM of CCD to invest in . . .
 
johnny karate said:
What convinced me that it was a serious problem was when The Daily Mail ran that piece about Kazuo Ishiguro saying that a lot of young writers have noticed the polar ice caps are melting.
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Glad to see you've come around and acknowledged that Kazuo Ishiguro is speaking the truth. Just when I was beginning to think there's no hope and all is lost.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Who is the corporate sponsor for Cancel Culture Denial?

I need an XOM of CCD to invest in . . .
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I don't know offhand but if I were looking to capitalize on cancel culture I'd put my money into Pink Pearl erasers or White Out.
 
Stout said:
Nobody is arguing that this type of behaviour is new but using social media to whip up an instant mob is. I suppose someone could try arguing that social media mobs existed before social media existed, but that would be silly. No ?

It's a new term for a long established behaviour which has been made far easier to participate in since the creation of cheap and easy electronic communication, nothing more.
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A lot of people are claiming it is new. That it’s something of modern times. A bit like you are saying.

Whipping up “instant” mobs is what pressure groups have always done. You think those complaining about Tom and Jerry cartoons coincidentally all wrote to the BBC board the same day?
 
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