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Cancel culture IRL

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johnny karate said:
...yes it’s a real shame that Gina Carano got herself fired because she doesn’t know how to act like a reasonable adult.
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I agree that it is certainly was a shame, and I agree that she was being unreasonable. That said, her very worst opinions weren't all that different than what I see on my co-workers' and in-laws' social feeds, out here in the Bible Belt. Evangelical Christians seem to have quite an overdeveloped persecution complex, despite their outsized political influence.
 
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d4m10n said:
My major problem is that the Cara Dune spinoff would've been awesome, but now it won't happen, because people seem to believe that actors are supposed to be paragons of public virtue in addition to feigning feelings on camera.
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It’s such a low bar she failed to hit, but it’s a paragon. lol
 
johnny karate said:
And yet it failed. Like so many other attempts at “cancellation”.

I guess some mobs have figured out the magic formula that allows them to dictate policy to major corporations, while other mobs haven’t.

Perhaps the mob that forced Disney to fire Gina Carano can offer a seminar for the mob that failed to force Disney to fire Brie Larson.
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It hasn't failed yet, the petition is still going and there's still time for the organizers to consult with the fire Carano folk.

Is cancelling Brie Larson a good thing, or a bad thing ?
 
And somehow people in power managed to use their opinions and powers of speech for thousands of years without being all that worried about "a universally agreed upon standard for offensive speech."

Again people just refuse to get that they don't get to just randomly starting worrying about this stuff NOW and not get called on it.
 
dirtywick said:
It’s such a low bar she failed to hit, but it’s a paragon.
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Wait, there's a bar? :confused:

With some forms of punishable speech there really is a bar (e.g. defamation, incitement, criminal conspiracy) but I'm not sure what the bar is when we're talking about an implied morality clause in the contracts of public figures. The whole process seems rather post-hoc from where I'm sitting at a (hopefully) safe distance.
 
d4m10n said:
I've been worried about it since the incident with Gelato Andy, almost ten years ago.
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Okay if you head out now at full speed you might reach my point before nightfall. Once you get there familiarize yourself with it and then rejoin the discussion.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Once you get there familiarize yourself with it and then rejoin the discussion.
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You should probably stop assuming that you've got some psychic insight into when your interlocutors started being concerned about cancellations, though.
 
Distracted1 said:
You actually described it better with:
" anonymous people punish[ing] perceived wrong-thinkers on the basis of incomplete or erroneous information, [with a] high potential for crossing the line into outright extrajudicial persecution of belief."
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Are you so confused as to think those were my own words? Please follow the conversation for form and context.

ETA: For clarity, the referenced post quote was a reframing of Emily's Cat's post with each instance of "cancel culture" replaced with "free speech". The rest of the words were all EC, not me. Do I really need to explain this sort fo thing?
 
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Stout said:
It hasn't failed yet, the petition is still going and there's still time for the organizers to consult with the fire Carano folk.

Is cancelling Brie Larson a good thing, or a bad thing ?
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It has failed and it is neither good nor bad. It failed because most consumers and the companies at issue felt that there was no there, there. The folks who tried to cancel Brie, and you have only chosen one of many such attempts, could not find enough other people to take on their banner. A cause without followers does not have much impact at the box office. But, people have every right to air their concerns with Brie or any other public figure. That's what free speech is all about. They just can't expect everyone to agree with them.
 
JoeMorgue said:
And somehow people in power managed to use their opinions and powers of speech for thousands of years without being all that worried about "a universally agreed upon standard for offensive speech."

Again people just refuse to get that they don't get to just randomly starting worrying about this stuff NOW and not get called on it.
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Go get your time machine, zap me back to all those periods in history that are relevant, and I'll worry about it THEN as well.

This is an absurd response. How exactly am I supposed to worry about things that happened in the past and had seriously negative outcomes *before* I'm allowed to start worrying about behaviors happening now that follow a similar pattern?
 
d4m10n said:
Wait, there's a bar? :confused:

With some forms of punishable speech there really is a bar (e.g. defamation, incitement, criminal conspiracy) but I'm not sure what the bar is when we're talking about an implied morality clause in the contracts of public figures. The whole process seems rather post-hoc from where I'm sitting at a (hopefully) safe distance.
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Yeah the bar is where Disney set it for her to maintain her employment with them. I’m sure there’s various contracts, PR firms, and company execs that made it clear to her where that bar is. Even I have to watch HR videos and sign documents that I understand the company’s social media policy and I’m just a guy.

But to say you need to be a paragon of virtue to maintain employment is a whole different conversation. A silly one.
 
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