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Cancel culture IRL

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d4m10n said:
If you don't think the phrase "cancel culture" refers to an actual cultural phenomenon, just say so.
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JoeMorgue said:
I have.
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No, you've only complained about who is using the phrase and what they are using it for. Instead of addressing the social issue at hand, you've gone meta and addressed a specific subset of people talking about it.
 
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d4m10n said:
No, you've only complained about who is using the phrase and what they are using it for. Instead of addressing the social issue at hand, you've gone meta and addressed a specific subset of people talking about it.
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Well again if you're just going to sit there and lie, I have no reason to talk to you.
 
Just to be clear, I'm here to discuss "the popular practice of withdrawing support for public figures and companies after they have done or said something considered objectionable or offensive" and I'm not all that particular about what label you put on that phenomenon.

I'm not here to argue that it's always right, or always wrong, since that would be massively oversimplifying the problem.

I'd rather discuss specific cases, for example, I've had two podcasts cancelled just this week.
 
Naomi Wolf going with "plan A":

"I am in Twitter jail (account suspension) for 12 hours for accurately reporting a conversation about a confirmed medical technology reported on by MIT, NIH, and Google News."

Translation: "I'm the victim", "people are saying..." among other familiar refrains.
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Distracted1 said:
IOW
Some of you are anti-free speech.

That has been clear for a while now. But stating it openly is refreshing.
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Those people being the counter-cancel-culture (thanks Joe) folks who get in a huff whenever people use their right to free speech to petition a business to remove employees who engage in offensive behavior or subsequently boycott that business.
 
johnny karate said:
Those people being the counter-cancel-culture (thanks Joe) folks who get in a huff whenever people use their right to free speech to petition a business to remove employees who engage in offensive behavior or subsequently boycott that business.
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You mean people who use offensive behavior to get people fired for using free speech.
You had that backwards.
 
d4m10n said:
Just to be clear, I'm here to discuss "the popular practice of withdrawing support for public figures and companies after they have done or said something considered objectionable or offensive" and I'm not all that particular about what label you put on that phenomenon.

I'm not here to argue that it's always right, or always wrong, since that would be massively oversimplifying the problem.

I'd rather discuss specific cases, for example, I've had two podcasts cancelled just this week.
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Great, let’s do that. What’s your problem with what happened to Gina Carano?
 
Distracted1 said:
You mean people who use offensive behavior to get people fired for using free speech.
You had that backwards.
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All parties concerned have free speech. The people who say offensive things have free speech. The people who try to get them fired have free speech. And the people who get fired for saying offensive things continue to have free speech.

What none of us have is freedom from consequences.
 
Emily's Cat said:
How so? I don't even need a real source for this, I'd be satisfied with a scenario that demonstrates how free speech results in those things.
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"Cancel culture" is literally the practice of free speech by multiple unorganized people who share a pov.

You offend me, I post about your offensiveness and ask others to take a look at your offensive content. Others with a similar poverties to me join in being offended and speak out about it via social media. That is "cancel culture" and that is all just a bunch of free speech.

Every single individual involved in "Cancel culture" is participating in what they believe to be free speech. If they step over a line into something that is illegal speech, then that is not really "cancel culture" that is something illegal. Nobody is defending illegal speech as that is generally understood in the US.
 
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dirtywick said:
Oh interesting. What does this offensive behavior consist of that isn’t covered under free speech?
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I am curious about that too.
Another frequent poster in this thread has been using the term consistently as the reason the people being discussed were fired.
I was using it disingenuously to elicit a question just such as yours.
 
Dr. Keith said:
"Cancel culture" is literally the practice of free speech by multiple unorganized people who share a pov.

You offend me, I post about your offensiveness and ask others to take a look at your offensive content. Others with a similar poverties to me join in being offended and speak out about it via social media. That is "cancel culture" and that is all just a bunch of free speech.

Every single individual involved in "Cancel culture" is participating in what they believe to be free speech. If they step over a line into something that is illegal speech, then that is not really "cancel culture" that is something illegal. Nobody is defending illegal speech as that is generally understood in the US.
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Well said and perfectly reflects my feelings on the subject.
 
Dr. Keith said:
"Cancel culture" is literally the practice of free speech by multiple unorganized people who share a pov.

You offend me, I post about your offensiveness and ask others to take a look at your offensive content. Others with a similar poverties to me join in being offended and speak out about it via social media. That is "cancel culture" and that is all just a bunch of free speech.

Every single individual involved in "Cancel culture" is participating in what they believe to be free speech. If they step over a line into something that is illegal speech, then that is not really "cancel culture" that is something illegal. Nobody is defending illegal speech as that is generally understood in the US.
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You actually described it better with:
" anonymous people punish[ing] perceived wrong-thinkers on the basis of incomplete or erroneous information, [with a] high potential for crossing the line into outright extrajudicial persecution of belief."
 
johnny karate said:
Great, let’s do that. What’s your problem with what happened to Gina Carano?
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My major problem is that the Cara Dune spinoff would've been awesome, but now it won't happen, because people seem to believe that actors are supposed to be paragons of public virtue in addition to feigning feelings on camera.
 
Distracted1 said:
You actually described it better with:
" anonymous people punish[ing] perceived wrong-thinkers on the basis of incomplete or erroneous information, [with a] high potential for crossing the line into outright extrajudicial persecution of belief."
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Should I list all the possible negative consequences of offensive speech (conspiracy theories, bigotry, etc.) or should we all just accept that sometimes free speech is messy and imperfect?
 
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d4m10n said:
My major problem is that the Cara Dune spinoff would've been awesome, but now it won't happen, because people seem to believe that actors are supposed to be paragons of public virtue in addition to feigning feelings on camera.
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I was hoping that by “specifics” you meant facts. Sorry if I misunderstood.

As to your complaint, yes it’s a real shame that Gina Carano got herself fired because she doesn’t know how to act like a reasonable adult.
 
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"Not spouting off insane conspiracy theories and hateful rhetoric" is not expecting someone to be a "paragon of public virtue."

I'm getting close to solidifying my entire counter-argument to the counter-cancel-culture argument into a pithy "You're not better than people who actually have standards."
 
Distracted1 said:
I am curious about that too.
Another frequent poster in this thread has been using the term consistently as the reason the people being discussed were fired.
I was using it disingenuously to elicit a question just such as yours.
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Oh that’s a shame. I thought you may have had an interesting point to make.
 
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