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There's the rub. Modern conservative political ideology has a healthy intersection with open transphobia, conspiratorial thinking, unhinged victim culture, anti-mask nonsense, and general willful unpleasantness.

It's really not out of line to say that Carano got fired for expressing very ordinary, mainstream Republican values, but it's also true to say she got fired for being a belligerent jerk.

This isn't to say that her firing was justified. It's just saying that the toxicity of modern conservative opinion really makes "live and let live" open mindedness difficult.
 
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d4m10n said:
Just tryna make room for the fact that some people will willfully misinterpret what I meant by "badass" the first time.
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The only misrepresentation I see is the one where we pretend that Gina Carano’s character was the sole example of strong, capable “badass” women on The Mandalorian or in Star Wars. There’s plenty to choose from, and Disney can always create more.
 
I agree that a lot of conservatives believe the same things as she does, which is largely why this is even a debate at all. That said, being conservative and having an opinion doesn't make every opinion you have a political opinion and consequences to voicing that opinion politically motivated.

It's just reframing the debate dishonestly, because now you they can say "it's wrong for an employer to punish someone for political views" even though that's not what happened.
 
johnny karate said:
The only misrepresentation I see is the one where we pretend that Gina Carano’s character was the sole example of strong, capable “badass” women on The Mandalorian or in Star Wars. There’s plenty to choose from, and Disney can always create more.
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I was hoping that the series would not recycle characters so much anyway. It's a big universe for a rogue bounty hunter, I see no reason why a small cast of characters need to keep showing up.

I think the show would be better as a series of one-off adventures involving new places and characters. Maybe the rest of the cast should start spouting off and get fired.
 
dirtywick said:
I agree that a lot of conservatives believe the same things as she does, which is largely why this is even a debate at all. That said, being conservative and having an opinion doesn't make every opinion you have a political opinion and consequences to voicing that opinion politically motivated.

It's just reframing the debate dishonestly, because now you they can say "it's wrong for an employer to punish someone for political views" even though that's not what happened.
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Oh, I agree entirely. It's just a point that this is going to be a recurring problem. What is seen as fireable conduct in civilized society is fairly routine among conservatives.
 
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I quoted three. Did you read the quote?
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I did. I saw references to her bigotry and conspiracy theories. I didn’t know we were now considering those to be “political opinions”.

Seems like a convenient bit of whitewashing to make her odious conduct seem more innocuous than it is.
 
johnny karate said:
As far as I know, that only happens in the GOP.
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This brought to mind all of the Republicans who have been censured recently.

Weird how all the wokescolds come to the yard for a bigoted conspiracy theorist, but no mention of the Republican politicians having their careers vengefully destroyed for daring to oppose Trump.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Modern conservative political ideology has a healthy intersection with open transphobia, conspiratorial thinking, unhinged victim culture, anti-mask nonsense, and general willful unpleasantness.

It's really not out of line to say that Carano got fired for expressing very ordinary, mainstream Republican values, but it's also true to say she got fired for being a belligerent jerk.
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Agreed on all points.

The only difference in perspective I have to offer is that I live in a part of the world dominated by conservative political ideology, while holding views opposed to Carano's own. Most likely if I told my co-workers what I really think of their views, they'd say I was being a belligerent jerk.

Without a general ethos of tolerance for those who hold views outside the (workplace) mainstream, our livelihoods would be even more insecure than they already are.
 
d4m10n said:
Perhaps we don't disagree, then. I'd like to see SAG-AFTRA spending some more of their social capital giving cover to actors who speak out. I'd also like to see people with highly unpopular opinions (e.g. God is dead, blasphemy is a victimless crime, open borders are probably fine) get on board with a general rollback of public shaming and corporate policing. If you've never held a highly unpopular opinion, then I don't expect you to.
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But again, Bill Burr says unpopular/controversial things all the time. Somehow he hasn’t got “cancelled” whereas Gina Carano did. What is the reason for this? Did she breach terms of her contract? Did Bill Burr have extra terms in his contract? Both seem reasonable possibilities.

Or maybe sexism is involved? Women might be seen by studios as easier to fire?

Do we know?
 
d4m10n said:
Agreed on all points.

The only difference in perspective I have to offer is that I live in a part of the world dominated by conservative political ideology, while holding views opposed to Carano's own. Most likely if I told my co-workers what I really think of their views, they'd say I was being a belligerent jerk.

Without a general ethos of tolerance for those who hold views outside the (workplace) mainstream, our livelihoods would be even more insecure than they already are.
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You making theses grand, sweeping statements that sure sound nice, but don’t seem to have much relevance to the situation being discussed.

Let’s stop pretending that Carano lost her job because she is a conservative and has unpopular politic opinions. She lost her job because she behaved like an
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, was warned about it, and then continued to behave like an
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You are certainly entitled to believe that insolent
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should be protected from the consequences of their behavior, but let’s at least discuss the situation honestly and stop acting like Carano was a passive victim in all of this.
 
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Let’s stop pretending that Carano lost her job because she is a conservative and has unpopular politic opinions. She lost her job because she behaved like an
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, was warned about it, and then continued to behave like an
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I find it curious and bizarre that you seem to believe conservatism and "triggering the libs" like an ******* are actually two different things these days. :p

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But again, Bill Burr says unpopular/controversial things all the time. Somehow he hasn’t got “cancelled” whereas Gina Carano did. What is the reason for this?
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You cannot seriously expect me to do homework on Bill Burr. Is he starring in something I should care about?
 
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You cannot seriously expect me to do homework on Bill Burr. Is he starring in something I should care about?
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I think he was in a show called the Mandolin or something. A Star Wars spinoff.

I haven’t seen it but I have seen and heard quite a lot of Bill Burr’s comedy and his life advice on his podcast. There’s plenty of stuff that was at least as controversial as any of Geena Cornao’s tweets.
 
angrysoba said:
But again, Bill Burr says unpopular/controversial things all the time. Somehow he hasn’t got “cancelled” whereas Gina Carano did. What is the reason for this? Did she breach terms of her contract? Did Bill Burr have extra terms in his contract? Both seem reasonable possibilities.

Or maybe sexism is involved? Women might be seen by studios as easier to fire?

Do we know?
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Disney hired Bill Burr because he’s Bill Burr. Whatever offensive things he’s said in his standup career were already known and part of the package. Furthermore, he was only a guest star, not a series regular. Different set of standards.

And to suggest that sexism played a role in Carano’s removal raises the question of how so many other women on the show remain gainfully employed.

Her removal wasn’t sexist anymore than it was political. Plenty of woman work in Star Wars and other Disney properties, and plenty of conservatives work in Hollywood.

The variable unique to Carano wasn’t her gender or her politics, it was her behavior.
 
angrysoba said:
There’s plenty of stuff that was at least as controversial as any of Geena Cornao’s tweets.
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If you say so, I will unskeptically take your word for it.

I hope his union stands up for him, should it come to that.
 
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I find it curious and bizarre that you seem to believe conservatism and "triggering the libs" like an ******* are actually two different things these days. :p
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I acknowledge that bigotry and conspiracy theories are mainstream Republicanism these days, but I’ll not engage in the charade of reframing them as “political opinions” as if we’re discussing fiscal policy. She spewed hateful and dangerous garbage. Calling it political opinion is like handing someone a gift-wrapped dog turd and saying “Merry Christmas!”.

You cannot seriously expect me to do homework on Bill Burr. Is he starring in something I should care about?
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Bill Burr was featured in two episodes of this same show we’ve been discussing and of which you claim to be a fan.
 
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If you say so, I will unskeptically take your word for it.

I hope his union stands up for him, should it come to that.
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It won’t come to that because of the distinctions I’ve already pointed out.

And here’s another distinction: I’m not aware that Bill Burr made a public statement that was personally offensive to the sister of the star of the show.
 
"Mayfeld is portrayed by actor and comedian Bill Burr, who was not a fan of Star Wars and repeatedly mocked the franchise and its fans before he accepted the role. The Mandalorian creator Jon Favreau offered the part to Burr, believing his past criticism of the franchise would make his casting that much more amusing."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayfeld

With this sort of precedent, maybe they'll let Gina Carano come back as some sort of trans character to beep, bop and boop with R2-D2!

It's not like we need to take such a puerile show with such childishly immature fans seriously anyway.
 
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