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Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2

3. I ANSWERED THAT QUESTION DIRECTLY IN THE VERY FIRST ******* LINE OF MY ANSWER - "I wouldn't trust an academic who attempts to publish a fake paper...."
EC wasn't asking about people who publish "fake papers," though.

Allow me to demonstrate how to answer her yes/no question.

EC: Do you trust the other academics who publish post-modern nonsense in journals that can't tell the difference between post-modern nonsense and completely and utter nonsense that uses post-modern jargon?

Damion: No. I don't trust the academics who publish in those journals because they are not advancing knowledge in a replicable and verifiable manner, so far as I can tell.
 
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EC wasn't asking about people who publish "fake papers," though.

Allow me to demonstrate how to answer her yes/no question.

EC: Do you trust the other academics who publish post-modern nonsense in journals that can't tell the difference between post-modern nonsense and completely and utter nonsense that uses post-modern jargon?

Damion: No. I don't trust the academics who publish in those journals because they are not advancing knowledge in a replicable and verifiable manner, so far as I can tell.

THERE WAS NO "YES" OR "NO" IN THE QUESTION!!

STOP ******* WELL LYING!!!!!!!!

And FYI... I regard "Do you trust the other academics who publish post-modern nonsense in journals that can't tell the difference between post-modern nonsense and completely and utter nonsense that uses post-modern jargon? " is just a wordy way of saying "Do you trust the other academics who publish fake papers"

Its all the same to me... I do not trust dishonest *****!
 
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Please click the link, it explains what kind of questions I'm talking about.

I clicked the link, and I totally disagree with what it says

If you want to ask me a question that limits me to a yes or no answer, precede the question with "yes or no" I will not answer such questions because they are preloaded in an attempt to trap the target into giving the response the asker wants.

I refuse to be limited by preloaded questions. If you don't like that.. tough!
 
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I'll leave it to EC to clarify whether she was asking (1) for an affirmative/negative response and (2) about fake papers.

Good night all [emoji287]
 
I'm sure the cancel culture pundits will be along any time now to condemn these racist and censorious groups going around trying to mass purge books from public schools:



https://www.thedailybeast.com/far-right-group-wants-to-ban-kids-from-reading-books-on-male-seahorses-galileo-and-martin-luther-king-jr

Let's wait for Bari Weiss to have this cancelled academic on her substack.



https://theintercept.com/2021/09/28/israel-palestine-unc-academic-freedom/
The silence from the Usual Suspects in this thread is noticeable.
:rolleyes:
 
Certainly not me.

I have nothing but contempt and disdain for the whole field of Postmodernist Philosophy. Its full of pumped up self-important wankers who spend their lives pontificating on things little or no importance to anyone other than the rest of the pumped up self-important wankers. Most of them wouldn't know **** from clay even if they could smell it.

Out of curiosity, how does your view toward postmodern wankery play into your views on CRT, antiracism, and gender ideology?
 
Witnesses don't count, unless they're police or fascists, remember?
This is disingenuous nonsense. The witness could've been:

1) Affirming that "Go back to your hood." was a substantively accurate paraphrase of "Go back to Long Island City."

2) Answering a leading question in a way that makes him look morally righteous.

3) Simply mistaken. (As we know eyewitnesses often are.)

Other possibilities may well exist, aside from the wholly unskeptical idea that this bystander must've been correctly affirming a literal exact quote, which is the sort of credulity I'd expect from Biblical apologists.
 
Sturgeon's Law: "90 percent of everything is crap."

A typically valid retort any time a particular genre, field of study, or area of interest is said to be dominated by poor quality. It holds true here, as well.

I've often held that the worst thing that can possibly happen to a niche interest is for it to become popular and mainstream.
 
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Out of curiosity, how does your view toward postmodern wankery play into your views on CRT, antiracism, and gender ideology?

I'm glad you asked. I have very radical views on this for which I make no apologies whatsoever...

RANT! CRT wouldn't even be a thing if history were taught properly in schools, and from early enough... and by properly, I mean the warts and all facts about history. No pretending certain things didn't happen - nothing gets left out. In the case of the US, slavery, the genocide of Native Americans, the Founding Fathers, the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, the whole shebang. Teach history as a series of facts, causes and effects, in a dispassionate way, and you don't even get to CRT.

Anti-racism has nothing to do post modern wankery. Again, teach civics in schools right from the get go, and keep religion and politics completely out of schools (with politics maybe only being taught in the last two years). Teach that ALL people are equal regardless of race, ethnicity or skin colour, and keep teaching it and indoctrinating it for the entire length of kids time in schools, so that they live it and breathe it. If you want to eliminate racism, make life for the racists a living hell.

Gender Ideology has nothing with that wankery either. Let people be who they are and stop making a big deal about it. The biggest barrier to allowing people to be who they are is religion, so ban it from being taught in schools. Any teachers that don't comply, fire them! Any school that doesn't comply, close it. Any private school that doesn't comply, withdraw all their funding, and if they are able to get private funding to continue operating, withdraw recognition of all qualification of academic achievement the school provides.


Well, you asked!

Its time to stop playing nice with racists & bigots - postmodern wankery has enabled them by legitimising them - it has achieved absolutely nothing towards a more diverse and harmonious society - all it has done is allowed a bunch of asshat, so-called "professors" to pontificate on BS, and to build reputations among all the other asshat, so-called "professors". It has wasted millions of hours of classroom time, and billions of dollars of University resources that could have been spent on useful things such as medical, environmental and other "hard" scientific research.

The most useful thing Universities could do to advance the human race is to permanently close all their "super-soft subject" departments; Art and art history, Media Studies, Gender Studies, Photography, Religious Studies, Psychology, Sociology. and just stick the the core subjects that produce students who will be useful to society - Biology, Chemistry, Medicine, History, Maths and Physics etc.

I fully expect to be labelled a philistine or a cretin for these views. I will proudly wear that label as a badge of honour!
 
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This is disingenuous nonsense. The witness could've been:

1) Affirming that "Go back to your hood." was a substantively accurate paraphrase of "Go back to Long Island City."

2) Answering a leading question in a way that makes him look morally righteous.

3) Simply mistaken. (As we know eyewitnesses often are.)

Other possibilities may well exist, aside from the wholly unskeptical idea that this bystander must've been correctly affirming a literal exact quote, which is the sort of credulity I'd expect from Biblical apologists.

All of which is pure, idle speculation on your part, and for which you have not a single scrap of evidence in support.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. What has been given is at hand - it stands undisputed as fact, and it remains that way unless, and until you can prove it is not.
 
Gender studies, almost all critical theories, and a handful of other cultural studies are all based on postmodern philosophy. They're all children of that movement.
Stipulating that this is true, it would mean it's simply not necessary to say "postmodern gender studies". There's no other kind.
 
All of which is pure, idle speculation on your part, and for which you have not a single scrap of evidence in support.
The unreliability of eyewitnesses is certainly not speculative on my part, I got those ideas from an expert in the field who spoke at TAM.

That aside, I am curious to know why you have concluded that the unnamed witness is affirming an exact quote rather than a substantively correct paraphrase of what the canceled woman actually said. I've seen no reason to assume one or the other scenario is the correct one.
 
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Sure? I didn't say that, so I'm not sure if you're arguing with me or just making a general statement?
I didn't claim you said it.

I'm saying that postmodernism, as people tend to use it here, doesn't have much meaning beyond signaling disapproval.
 
Reactionaries are trying to get teachers and librarians arrested for stocking the shelves with books that mention sex or the existence of gay people.

The threat of prosecution over book controversies isn’t limited to Ohio. In Wyoming’s conservative Campbell County, prosecutors are weighing charges against librarians because of a criminal complaint over sex education and LGBT-related books stocked in sections for children or young adults, the Associated Press reported on Friday.

The list of challenged books, which include a children’s book called How Do You Make a Baby? and a book aimed at teenagers called Dating and Sex: A Guide for the 21st Century Teen Boy, prompted a complaint to a local sheriff’s department. Now prosecutors in the county are considering charges against library employees, according to the AP, as well as the appointment of a special prosecutor.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-the-rights-plan-to-rebrand-sex-ed-as-child-porn

Caldwell-Stone pointed out that the books in question in each case don’t meet any legal definition of obscenity or child pornography and are all available through Amazon and major bookstores.

“We’re just deeply concerned about this effort to prosecute librarians and educators for providing constitutionally protected mainstream materials,” Caldwell-Stone said.
 
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Mmm.... I don't think you're accurate in assuming that nobody thinks it's a valuable field. It's a topic taught in most major universities, it's a field with a LOT of work being done in it (mostly crappy ******** work IMO, but still), and there are a lot of papers being published on that topic. So clearly someone thinks it's valuable - valuable enough to have entire publications devoted to the topic. And those publications get referenced by people who use them as support for their ideology on the topic of gender.

I do, however, agree with your conclusion: nobody will change their minds. True believers will still be true believers, apostates will still be apostates. Personally, I think that this sort of demonstration *should* change people's minds... but I'm an apostate.

I think absolutely nobody should be persuaded either way by B,L and P. The reason is because the different studies went to differenr journals of presumably differing quality and their may have been differing ways in which they were accepted.

Take the dog park one. On the face of it, there is nothing obviously absurd about writing a paper which observes the behaviour of dog owners and seeing when they intervene to stop their male dog raping another male dog or allow their male dog to rape a female dog or intervene to stop fights etc... What dog owners permit and dissuade could say something about a culture. What makes this more pernicious, in my opinion, and not to the hoaxers' credit, is that they included "results" of data which they in fact wholly fabricated. So what apparently makes this paper ludicrous? Mostly the fact that there is heavy reference to feminist and queer theory. But this becomes question-begging. They already thought that such literature was ridiculous so getting it published in a journal related to field says nothing at all. This is not like the Sokal hoax, because B, L and P already admit that, unlike the Conceptual Penis hoax, they actually read and studied the relevant literature rather than, say, went to the postmodernism generator and copied and pasted the results. (They even say that they had initially tried to submit papers that did this but they all got rejected!!! That seems an important point that their cheerleaders overlook). So, I am not impressed by that particular hoax paper.

Similarly, I am not impressed by the one that was apparently based on Meine Kampf. They seem to think it is self-evidently ridiculous that a journal would publish a work from Hitler that has a feminist spin. However, as this Hitler scholar in Haaretz points out, it is utterly dishonest because they used a chapter from Meine Kampf that was about organizing a party and of course B, L and P had to remove so much to make it unrecognizable from its "source material" that this is what was left:

So what did the text in the article accepted by Affilia actually look like? Was it, as Fox News claimed, a "feminist Mein Kampf", suggesting men should be treated the same way as Hitler victimized Jews?

It is surprising, to say the least, that none of the journalists reporting on the controversy actually bothered to compare the two texts. If they'd done so, they would have found that the Affilia article didn't contain anything that could be recognized as "Mein Kampf" even by a Hitler expert, let alone a lay person.

The best way to illustrate this is to highlight a section of what remained of Hitler's text, spread out as it was over several paragraphs on several pages:

[…] to appeal to […] contented and satisfied, […] to embrace […].

[…] half-measures, by […] a so-called objective standpoint, […] the goal […]. That is to say, […] in the sense […] many limitations, […]. […] countered only by an antidote, […] only the […]. […] people […] neither […] nor […]. […] abstract knowledge […] directs their […]. […] is where their […] lies. […] receptive […] in one of these two directions […] never to a […] between the two.

[…] emotional […] stability. […] than respect, […] is more […] than aversion, […] weakness) […], […] will […] power.

The future of a movement is […].

The lacunae between these preserved pieces of text were filled with material that was either re-written, or entirely new (including references to bona fide scholarship). This created the convincing illusion of an original philosophy paper. Neither the words nor the intent were comparable to "Mein Kampf"; indeed, the intent was the very opposite.

Now apparently Lindsay has responded in some hour and a half long podcast episode on "New Discourses", where he thinks he has discovered some trick by his critic of using the name "NSDAP" and then declares to his audience that he looked up NSDAP and discovered it meant "Nazi Party" (I'm not kidding, he really thought this was a gotcha!), and he reads out the meaning, claiming not to know what "Arbeiter" means. Hmmm... I begin to wonder if Lindsay is pretending to be as ignorant as he sounds.

So, honestly, a paper accepted by a journal that just basically talks about what a feminist movement should look like, isn't really that impressive either.

It's pretty obvious that this was a sensationalist stunt with so much dishonesty thrown in, that, like I said, I ended up perversely feeling a grudging admission that no, gender studies journals DON'T just publish any old tripe.

And really, the bottom of the barrel journals they picked exist in pretty much any field. This is how academics keep their jobs. It is known as "publish or perish". And most of these journals in special interests are read by almost nobody and are peer reviewed by volunteers who spend their unpaid time trying to be helpful to authors who are often not very good at writing (hence there is a lot of feedback that B, L and P gleefully cackled at in their videos).

This is why pretty much all fields are plagued with bad scholarship. But maybe you need to see some actual data rather than this kind of anecdotal "study" which you can do, if you like, by going to Retraction Watch and plugging in any subject and seeing how many papers have ended up retracted for problems with data:

Link

And, to beat a dead horse, just look at how many papers in the medical field are turning out to be costing people's lives. Look at the studies of ivermectin that turn out to be out and out fraud, yet Boghossian's buddies the Weinsteins happily trot them out to send their viewers galloping off to buy horse paste.

But no, the real moral panic is to do with some obscure unread publications like Fat Studies which are apparently taking over the universities (hasn't this left-wing take-over been happening since the 1960s?). So Boghossian runs off to cry on the shoulders of Glenn Beck and Dave Rubin because nobody takes his grievance studies thing seriously and because what he did was unethical and because he RESIGNED and hee wasn't cancelled, while Lindsay is busy tweeting anti-semitic, conspiracy theorizing, anti-vaxx, pro-crazy-loons-at-parents-meetings propaganda. Helen Pluckrose, I imagine, is probably wondering if she has joined a weird cult of nasty reactionary lunatics by mistake.
 
The unreliability of eyewitnesses is certainly not speculative on my part, I got those ideas from an expert in the field who spoke at TAM.

That aside, I am curious to know why you have concluded that the unnamed witness is affirming an exact quote rather than a substantively correct paraphrase of what the canceled woman actually said. I've seen no reason to assume one or the other scenario is the correct one.

I regard witnesses the same way as courts to - a witness is accepted as being truthful and accurate unless shown to be otherwise. I will assume the claim, as backed up by the witness, is valid, until such time as I am shown evidence to the contrary. I have always done things this way, and I always will.

I have the facts on my side here, you, on the other hand, are Vroomfondel.
 
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