Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2

[tyr_13]

Not a single one. /s

Not a single one.

If you're comfortable promoting the idea that only white male comics are doing it right, just own it.

It makes perfect sense to me that they'd be extra careful about "punching down," as the kids say, but I'm incredibly skeptical of the idea that they are adding more value than the average replacement level comic.

If anyone had any hope there was a chance d4m10n was engaging honestly or wasn't paying attention, look at what he cut out to try to make my argument indicate something it absolutely does not.

This is what the 'reasonable' critics of 'cancel culture' have to do. They have to outright lie in their arguments. It is sad how often that works when people could just scroll up, but people generally just gloss over the posts so it can still work.

 

[dirtywick]

Check the Rotten Tomatoes audience ratings [emoji534]

95%

Well, tell me more about how dangerous cancel culture is to free speech in comedy

 

[smartcooky]

Check the Rotten Tomatoes audience ratings [emoji534]

Bwhahahah! I take great notice of Rotten Tomatoes ratings

A low rating is "must watch" for me
A high rating means I can usually skip it.

 

[smartcooky]

If anyone had any hope there was a chance d4m10n was engaging honestly or wasn't paying attention, look at what he cut out to try to make my argument indicate something it absolutely does not.

I have long since lost any hope of of getting honest debate.....

This is what the 'reasonable' critics of 'cancel culture' have to do. They have to outright lie in their arguments. It is sad how often that works when people could just scroll up, but people generally just gloss over the posts so it can still work.

..... and I figured this one out a long time ago.
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[d4m10n]

Well, tell me more about how dangerous cancel culture is to free speech in comedy

Are you generalizing from Dave Chappelle to the rest of comedy?

 

[d4m10n]

They have to outright lie in their arguments.

I've said nothing untrue or misleading. If you believe I've done so, FFS, use the quote function.

 

[d4m10n]

A high rating means I can usually skip it.

Are you talking about critic ratings or audience scores?

 

[smartcooky]

Are you talking about critic ratings or audience scores?

Really, this is but I'll answer, and then drop the subject

I take no real notice of film critics, amateur or professional. If the subject material interests we, I watch the movie myself, and make my own decision, and find it is often the opposite view from that of the critics

Examples...

Kathryn Bigelow's The Hurt Locker. Universally acclaimed and No 1 on many critics lists. I found it boring, tedious and repetitive. I walked out of the movie theatre at around the 45 minute mark.

Philip Alden Robinson's Sneakers. Pretty much panned across the board. Most ratings less than 50%. I thoroughly enjoyed it - its in my movie library and I have rewatched it a few times.

 

[d4m10n]

Really, this is but I'll answer, and then drop the subject.

I don't think the massive gap between elite opinion and audience reviews is off-topic in this specific case.

ETA: Sneakers was and remains awesome. I still have it on Laser Disc.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

I don't think it can be underestimated how much self-aggrandization is a motivating factor for these cancel culture weirdos:

Her appeal to older financiers was known but it became crystal clear when her session entitled “Talking Back to Cancel Culture” drew a capacity crowd that left some stuck outside in a queue. Weiss spent several minutes criticising her former employer The New York Times and decried what she called the “philosophy of woke”.

At one point Weiss compared her professional travails to the life of Galileo Galilei, the Italian scientist who was forced to renounce his views on heliocentrism to avoid being burnt at the stake. Her interviewer, the conservative political pollster, Frank Luntz, implored Weiss to throw her hat in the ring for the open US Senate seat in Weiss’ home state of Pennsylvania, an idea that was greeted with a burst of applause, marking the rare Milken conference talk where those in the audience were not fiddling with their phones.

https://www.ft.com/content/5d840a5c-fa0c-4d08-9574-59f0d3e8c703?shareType=nongift

Ahh yes, I suppose giving a popular speech to a standing-room only audience of wealthy elites is very much like the suffering of Galileo .

 

[ponderingturtle]

I have a subscription to Netflix. I looked for it, there is none that I can find.

Look into documentary Disclosure on the history of how trans people have been portrayed in media.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Yes, because trans people have so much power compared to a popular celebrity who, despite all the handwringing, still has 5 comedy specials and a Comedy Central series on the world’s largest streaming service.

Also, are you under the impression that trans people are “middle and upper class white males”?

They already killed all the trans women of color. But TERF's got to TERF.

 

[angrysoba]

I don't think it can be underestimated how much self-aggrandization is a motivating factor for these cancel culture weirdos:



https://www.ft.com/content/5d840a5c-fa0c-4d08-9574-59f0d3e8c703?shareType=nongift

Ahh yes, I suppose giving a popular speech to a standing-room only audience of wealthy elites is very much like the suffering of Galileo .

Milkin?! That’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time. Got convicted for insider trading! I remember thinking it would be a hilarious name for a pair of con artist financiers to call their firm Milkin and Madoff. Very Dickensian.

Seriously, is there anybody who is not rich who is buying Bari Weiss’s books or listening to her podcasts to find out how much she has suffered, and agreeing with her unironically that the world has gone mad?

 

[ponderingturtle]

I don't think it can be underestimated how much self-aggrandization is a motivating factor for these cancel culture weirdos:



https://www.ft.com/content/5d840a5c-fa0c-4d08-9574-59f0d3e8c703?shareType=nongift

Ahh yes, I suppose giving a popular speech to a standing-room only audience of wealthy elites is very much like the suffering of Galileo .

And yet express the wrong opinion on Israel and all those warriors against cancel culture will for some reason be canceling you.

 

[angrysoba]

She’s certainly Milkin her fifteen minutes of fame.

 

[angrysoba]

By the way, I called it in the other thread and I think I will be proved right that Peter Boghossian’s “cancellation” will be followed by “working” at something called Ralston College, which has sharing buttons for all major social media such as Facebook, Twitter, Parler etc… despite as yet having not had any courses, may not have any buildings and apparently has three courses available. You can learn Shakespeare from Tatiana McGrath and learn Samuel Johnson from Theodore Dalrymple. At this point you may be wondering whether or not Bogo has graduated from writing hoax papers to supporting and fundraising for a hoax university.

 

[smartcooky]

I don't think it can be underestimated how much self-aggrandization is a motivating factor for these cancel culture weirdos:

At one point Weiss compared her professional travails to the life of Galileo Galilei, the Italian scientist who was forced to renounce his views on heliocentrism to avoid being burnt at the stake.

Ahh yes, I suppose giving a popular speech to a standing-room only audience of wealthy elites is very much like the suffering of Galileo .

"Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo it is not enough that you be persecuted by an unkind establishment, you must also be right.” — Robert L. Park

 

[angrysoba]

"Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo it is not enough that you be persecuted by an unkind establishment, you must also be right.” — Robert L. Park

What's ironic about this is that Bari Weiss is not so much Galileo as some disgruntled clergyman after the Catholic Church has accepted heliocentricity.

"When the Sun is considered the centre and the Earth that we stand on goes round it, the world has gone mad!"

 

[Emily's Cat]

Goal post shift. I never said they were excluded

Dafuq? This is some serious semantic tomfoolery. I said the current Equity fund already covers trans people, you said it did not. That means that trans people are not included in the Equity fund... therefore excluded. Don't play silly word games.

Disclosure: "this program is not available in your country"

Orange is the New Black: "this program is not available in your country"

Q-Theory: "this program is not available in your country"

Danish Girl: "this program is not available in your country"

Sabrina is a program for teenagers... I've never seen that

Take that up with your country then. Don't pretend that there is no content for trans people on Netflix in the US, which is where the employees are that protested and demanded that they need to have *more* content for trans people.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Good, that is the effect I would hope for. Think about what you say before you say it means it is much harder to spread your racism and bigotry. I made the mistake of not doing that in post#311 and was rightly called for it by angrysoba.

I think you need to carefully re-read my post again.

Because if your intent is to put people WHO DO NOT HOLD BIGOTED VIEWS into a state of constant paranoia... I think you might want to re-evaluate your views.

If you eliminate the speech, there is no need to debate it.

Orwell would be so incredibly proud of you, ushering in the fascist dystopia with such fervor. You're a shoo-in for Inner Party.

Wait! Opposing the idea of "threatening female people with rape, calling them misogynistic names, and opining that females should be killed, bombed?"
would get you labelled a transphobe? Seriously?

Yes. Quite literally.

Margaret Atwood, who has been a pretty die-hard trans supporter, recently "liked" an article that made the case that seeking transgender rights is a very good thing, but that being toxic and violent in ones activism is a bad thing.

She has now been labeled as a transphobe, received numerous threats, and has been doxxed alongside wishes of harm.

She didn't even actually say that it's bad to threaten females with rape, harm, etc. All she did was "like" an article that said it's bad... and well... now she's firmly in transphobe territory and the subject of that exact behavior.

So yes. I am serious.

ETA: This is the article that Atwood liked, and it is written by a transwoman.

Trans rights? Yes. Toxic, in-your-face activism? No

And this is a composite of the responses that Atwood received:
https://twitter.com/KatarinaHill2/status/1452180800057876480?s=20

And some more:
https://medium.com/@rebeccarc/margaret-atwood-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-bd61ed7575ce

This is Margaret Atwood.