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Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2

big difference between whether or not something is allowed vs something i would do. if you want to cancel target because they don't want to eradicate the trans, go ahead it's allowed. want to make fun of someone on twitter for boycotting target? also allowed. this is all fine.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
Is it? Public shame strikes me as an excellent tool for enforcing social norms, and it's nice to have a response that exists between doing nothing and throwing people in prison.

the public shame that the Central Park Karen got hit with, for example, seems like a perfect use case for non-carceral punishment of outrageously anti-social behavior.
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Oh, there are people I would like to see get the treatment that Cersai got in "Game of Thrones"

'SHAME! SHAME!
 
d4m10n said:
Boycotts and cancellations are good when they uphold your values, but not those of "stupid bigoted crybabies" like the people boycotting Target.
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I don't see you making much mention of right wing cancellation and boycotts...
 
lomiller said:
I don't see you making much mention of right wing cancellation and boycotts...
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If you already know those are wrong, why should I harp on about them?

ETA: See post #2120 for a good example of conservative cancel culture. I've never claimed that this phenomenon is somehow unique to the left.
 
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d4m10n said:
If you already know those are wrong, why should I harp on about them?
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Why would you limit yourself to just challenging me, while ignoring what others are saying?

BTW doesn't targeting a specific individual that way sound an awful lot like the "cancel culture" d4m10n is decrying in the first place?
 
lomiller said:
Why would you limit yourself to just challenging me, while ignoring what others are saying?
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It's not just you. No one in this thread has defended conservative cancellations, so there is no need to go on about them. We all already agree it is wrong when the right wing does it.

lomiller said:
BTW doesn't targeting a specific individual that way sound an awful lot like the "cancel culture" d4m10n is decrying in the first place?
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In English "you" can be plural, e.g. "If you [all] already know those are wrong, why should I harp on about them?"

That said, no one is "targeting" you for deplatforming or disemployment, as they did to Kroger Andy and Gelato Andy. Don't be hyperbolic.
 
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d4m10n said:
It's not just you. No one in this thread has defended conservative cancellations, so there is no need to go on about them. We all already agree it is wrong when the right wing does it.

In English "you" can be plural, e.g. "If you [all] already know those are wrong, why should I harp on about them?"

That said, no one is "targeting" you for deplatforming or disemployment, as they did to Kroger Andy and Gelato Andy. Don't be hyperbolic.
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???

First you say that you don't need to criticize conservative cancel culture because I already know it's wrong. But, you follow that up by saying you were not talking about me specifically. If that's the case why won't you criticize conservative cancel culture for the benefit of those who support it.

Keep in mind that conservative cancel culture is showing itself to be doing things that are actually disturbing like using the power of government to silence opposition and actual harassment of employees rather then just subjecting people to online criticism. The fact that you refuse to criticize actions like this while getting your undies in a bunch about people getting blowback for being a**holes online shows a real bias in your posting pattern IMO.
 
smartcooky said:
Doesn't work against the GQP... they have none.
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It works fine within their own community. See how all the "RINOs" have been either cowed into submission or ostracized by their fascist peers.

Different communities have different values, and what might be shameful in one can be valorized in another.
 
lomiller said:
???

First you say that you don't need to criticize conservative cancel culture because I already know it's wrong. But, you follow that up by saying you were not talking about me specifically. If that's the case why won't you criticize conservative cancel culture for the benefit of those who support it.

Keep in mind that conservative cancel culture is showing itself to be doing things that are actually disturbing like using the power of government to silence opposition and actual harassment of employees rather then just subjecting people to online criticism. The fact that you refuse to criticize actions like this while getting your undies in a bunch about people getting blowback for being a**holes online shows a real bias in your posting pattern IMO.
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if i was trying to convince someone that cancel culture is a problem i'd probably choose the best examples.
 
lomiller said:
First you say that you don't need to criticize conservative cancel culture because I already know it's wrong. But, you follow that up by saying you were not talking about me specifically. If that's the case why won't you criticize conservative cancel culture for the benefit of those who support it.
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Who has supported conservative cancellations anywhere on this thread?

See posts 2120 & 2616 for several examples of conservative cancel culture. I've never claimed that the process of cancellation is somehow unique to the left, but I would go so far as to claim that the people defending cancellations happen to be of the left, herein this discussion. If someone wants to defend a conservative cancellation, I'd be happy to consider their argument. Until that happens, though, we should probably focus on cancellations which are arguable either way rather than the ones we all already agree upon.
 
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d4m10n said:
Who has supported conservative cancellations anywhere on this thread?

See posts 2120 & 2616 for several examples of conservative cancel culture. I've never claimed that the process of cancellation is somehow unique to the left, but I would go so far as to claim that the people defending cancellations happen to be of the left, herein this discussion. If someone wants to defend a conservative cancellation, I'd be happy to consider their argument. Until that happens, though, we should probably focus on cancellations which are arguable either way rather than the ones we all already agree upon.
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the way conservatives have redefined the term and embraced utilizing it to their benefit while bemoaning it's existence is probably the only notable thing about the right's relationship to it.

besides, the right and left both appear to have moved on from even talking about it at all. which is probably enlightening in how much of a problem cancel culture is to society.
 
Why should we care if they've moved on? Partisan activists aren't intellectually or morally exemplary, last I checked.
 
d4m10n said:
Why should we care if they've moved on? Partisan activists aren't intellectually or morally exemplary, last I checked.
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if the victims of cancel culture don't care about it anymore it's time to move on
 
dirtywick said:
if the victims of cancel culture don't care about it anymore it's time to move on
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Did you check with the victims who've been deplatformed or disemployed as the result of viral outrage? I'd be interested in hearing their take.

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d4m10n said:
Did you check with the victims who've been deplatformed or disemployed as the result of viral outrage? I'd be interested in hearing their take.

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idk they seem fine to me. what's the worst thing that's happened?

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oh yeah, that one guy lost his part time job at big lots or whatever 5 years ago.
 
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If you're really asking for the worst case examples, consider what happened to Salman Rushdie fairly recently or Theo van Gogh much less recently. After they were publicly demonized for speech or expression, they were individually targeted for violent reprisal.

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