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Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2

angrysoba said:
Oh my word. That's super cringe, but honestly, I would just prefer her principal to say, "Look, could you please NOT do this in maths class. It does look pretty racist."
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Not even that for me - it would be "I know you want to bring maths alive for your students and help them with trigonometry, but you look like an idiot"
 
Darat said:
Not even that for me - it would be "I know you want to bring maths alive for your students and help them with trigonometry, but you look like an idiot"
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What teachers have the right to harass and belittle their students for any reason they deem appropriate, though race and sexuality are of course popular favorites.

Next you will be thinking that maybe a white supremacist podcast is not an appropriate hobby for a teacher? Why who better to present both sides of the history of the holocaust?
 
A simply baffling level of bad judgement at work here. It's really hard to imagine why anyone would think this was appropriate, unless this was some stunt to get fired intentionally.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
A simply baffling level of bad judgement at work here. It's really hard to imagine why anyone would think this was appropriate, unless this was some stunt to get fired intentionally.
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It's not like she is some 65 year old person claiming, "Well it was acceptable when I started doing it back in 1980"

Apparently she has been doing this for almost 10 years. No, it was not considered acceptable back in 2012. Protests against the Braves's and Florida St "tomahawk chop" go back to at least 1994.

Yes, it is a baffling lack of awareness. This is why I would not want her to continue teaching. Anyone so completely clueless on this is not someone I would trust.

I've seen some suggesting that "oh, the principal just needs to have a talk with her," but I don't see it. Does she really need to be told this is inappropriate?

(the sadder ones are those who are actually trying to excuse it because, hey, she's trying to teach a difficult subject. Um, no)
 
pgwenthold said:
It's not like she is some 65 year old person claiming, "Well it was acceptable when I started doing it back in 1980"

Apparently she has been doing this for almost 10 years. No, it was not considered acceptable back in 2012. Protests against the Braves's and Florida St "tomahawk chop" go back to at least 1994.

Yes, it is a baffling lack of awareness. This is why I would not want her to continue teaching. Anyone so completely clueless on this is not someone I would trust.

I've seen some suggesting that "oh, the principal just needs to have a talk with her," but I don't see it. Does she really need to be told this is inappropriate?

(the sadder ones are those who are actually trying to excuse it because, hey, she's trying to teach a difficult subject. Um, no)
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Is this something that is made more or less outrageous by watching the video with the sound off?
 
pgwenthold said:
It's not like she is some 65 year old person claiming, "Well it was acceptable when I started doing it back in 1980"



Apparently she has been doing this for almost 10 years. No, it was not considered acceptable back in 2012. Protests against the Braves's and Florida St "tomahawk chop" go back to at least 1994.



Yes, it is a baffling lack of awareness. This is why I would not want her to continue teaching. Anyone so completely clueless on this is not someone I would trust.



I've seen some suggesting that "oh, the principal just needs to have a talk with her," but I don't see it. Does she really need to be told this is inappropriate?



(the sadder ones are those who are actually trying to excuse it because, hey, she's trying to teach a difficult subject. Um, no)
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Popehat, aka Ken White, out of LA has this to say about Riverside:

Riverside, where this happened, is east of Los Angeles in the Inland Empire. It’s super-diverse but also has a very strong contingent of white folks like this.
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https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1451016039416811524?s=19

So maybe this lady is living in some bubble where this very racist routine might seem normal. I'm not familiar with the area but this local isn't exactly doing them any favors for their reputation.
 
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Chris_Halkides said:
Why not?
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Because

1. The petty bickering that goes on in academia is of little interest to me, and

2. I already know that FIRE defends speech I find unacceptable and indefensible, and

3. Any organisation that advocates allowing scumbags like Milo Yiannopoulos, Ann Coulter, Bill Ayers and Ben "Uncle Tom" Carson a platform to open their vile mouths in front of university students is not an organisation I have any interest in hearing from.

I would no more read a FIRE article than I would read an article on OAN or Newsmax.

lionking said:
Because it would be uncomfortable for him
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True. I am very uncomfortable with the idea of an organisation with a clearly Liberal bias supporting the speech of predominantly bigots and racists on the far right, and doing so under the cover of advocating "academic freedom of speech".
 
smartcooky said:
Any organisation that advocates allowing scumbags like Milo Yiannopoulos, Ann Coulter, Bill Ayers and Ben "Uncle Tom" Carson a platform to open their vile mouths in front of university students is not an organisation I have any interest in hearing from.
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At least you're upfront trying to censor ideas you don't like. [emoji106]
 
smartcooky said:
True. I am very uncomfortable with the idea of an organisation with a clearly Liberal bias supporting the speech of predominantly bigots and racists on the far right, and doing so under the cover of advocating "academic freedom of speech".
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How on earth is the professor in the linked article a bigot?
 
The New York Times on the Dorian Abbot affair at NYT...


CHICAGO — The Massachusetts Institute of Technology invited the geophysicist Dorian Abbot to give a prestigious public lecture this autumn. He seemed a natural choice, a scientific star who studies climate change and whether planets in distant solar systems might harbor atmospheres conducive to life.


Then a swell of angry resistance arose. Some faculty members and graduate students argued that Dr. Abbot, a professor at the University of Chicago, had created harm by speaking out against aspects of affirmative action and diversity programs. In videos and opinion pieces, Dr. Abbot, who is white, has asserted that such programs treat “people as members of a group rather than as individuals, repeating the mistake that made possible the atrocities of the 20th century.” He said that he favored a diverse pool of applicants selected on merit.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/20/us/dorian-abbot-mit.html


Jerry Coyne (Who is quoted in the NYT article.) also published a comentary on his blog.


The saga of Dorian Abbot began quietly on my campus, and when it was resolved at the University of Chicago, I thought that was the end of it. But then, because Abbot had written and made videos criticizing affirmative action and DEI initiatives, he was disinvited from the prestigious Carlson lectures at MIT, where he was supposed to speak on global warming (they later offered him a smaller technical lecture on his work). This deplatforming was picked up by several venues in the conservative media, including the conservative columnist Bret Stephens at the NYT, but I was frustrated that the non-conservative press ignored such an egregious incident of cancellation.

It was especially egregious because Abbot wasn’t going to talk at MIT about DEI or the like, but about global warming and other planets. In other words, he was being punished for saying things in other venues that offended people. More than that: there is a valid debate about the methods of DEI initiatives, though their intent is admirable. I accept the need for some affirmative action as a means of reparation, but others don’t, and none of us should be punished or cancelled for our views.
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https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2021...media-and-quillette-mit-gets-egg-on-its-face/
 
pgwenthold said:
It's not like she is some 65 year old person claiming, "Well it was acceptable when I started doing it back in 1980"

Apparently she has been doing this for almost 10 years. No, it was not considered acceptable back in 2012. Protests against the Braves's and Florida St "tomahawk chop" go back to at least 1994.

Yes, it is a baffling lack of awareness. This is why I would not want her to continue teaching. Anyone so completely clueless on this is not someone I would trust.

I've seen some suggesting that "oh, the principal just needs to have a talk with her," but I don't see it. Does she really need to be told this is inappropriate?

(the sadder ones are those who are actually trying to excuse it because, hey, she's trying to teach a difficult subject. Um, no)
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Yeah, I get what you mean. I did say that the principal should have a word with her, but given the second video and the knowledge that she’s been doing this for some time I would think it requires a bit more than a word. I tend to be optimistic about the idea that people can be better so the school admin should look into this, probably issue a warning and some retraining. I still don’t like to support firings as a first response, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it comes to that.
 
smartcooky said:
Because

1. The petty bickering that goes on in academia is of little interest to me, and

2. I already know that FIRE defends speech I find unacceptable and indefensible, and

3. Any organisation that advocates allowing scumbags like Milo Yiannopoulos, Ann Coulter, Bill Ayers and Ben "Uncle Tom" Carson a platform to open their vile mouths in front of university students is not an organisation I have any interest in hearing from.

I would no more read a FIRE article than I would read an article on OAN or Newsmax.



True. I am very uncomfortable with the idea of an organisation with a clearly Liberal bias supporting the speech of predominantly bigots and racists on the far right, and doing so under the cover of advocating "academic freedom of speech".
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I think the point of having people like Fire is to protect academic freedoms. It means that the person is irrelevant. The principle is important. We shouldn’t just fire people because we don’t like their ideas or their political persuasion.

It’s like the ACLU or Amnesty International. They are not so interested in how big an ******* the person they are defending is, and I fully support organizations who can separate principle from emotions.

Also, someone who unironically used the term “Uncle Tom” would probably get fired.
 
lionking said:
How on earth is the professor in the linked article a bigot?
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If you read and understood the reply to the last post you quoted me in, you would realise that...

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