Canada Seal Slaughter begins

Buffalo is good! And I don't even eat pork or beef (25 years on)

I also have eaten kangaroo, kudo, ostrich and any number of insects, fried and on pushcarts of Asia.

The point is, the animal rights weenies can only attempt to use guilt, well, too freaking bad, it don't work on me.

Animals should be tested on, insulin and cancer drugs have come about because of animal testing.

That chicken breast or hamburger just doesn't appear on your grocer's shelf, an animal dies, and its never pretty.

So what?

I'll eat what I want, wear what I want and live how I want, and the animal rights whiners can have their opinion, but I will disagree and continue to eat and wear what I want.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I'd rather have a burger than a soy-bean product. The burger tastes better. The life of a cow has no value to me other than being a product that tastes good, produces milk and can be used as leather.
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Well I hope you don't mind if other people value your life the same way.
 
Dr. Lao said:
The point is, the animal rights weenies can only attempt to use guilt, well, too freaking bad, it don't work on me.
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Actually, what they use it ethics. I suggest you read a book by Peter Singer. Really an eye-opener.
I have no problem if people decide to treat other animals like trash but don't complain if the same happens to you.
 
Dr. Lao said:
I'll buy whatever freaking jacket I want, I don't need some whiney guilt pusher to tell me what king of jacket I must have.
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Not if it's illegal.


Dr. Lao said:
That is why many people have a negative opinion of animal rights activists, they act all holier than thou, and feel as if they have the authority to tell others what to wear or eat.
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How does telling you something is wrong make me have a "holier than thou" attitude exactly? Just stating the facts.


Dr. Lao said:
Humans are more intelligent! Very good. Humans also have the right to kill, eat and wear a seal, even a really cute one.
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Says who? What if I said humans have the right to kill, eat and wear another human? Why would I be wrong?

Dr. Lao said:
I admire your passion, but, you need to realize that, for all your self righteousness and passion, its not your call. Others have their opinions too, so you should respect that.
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Their opinions are wrong. I've established that.
 
armageddonman said:
Well I hope you don't mind if other people value your life the same way.
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He things humans are somehow magically "superior" to other animals in all moral ways. He also calls intelligence an "arbitrary value judgment" whatever that means, so he doesn't think humans are more important due to their intelligence either. He just thinks they have some providence to claims of moral authority and importance.
 
Thaiboxerken said:
I'd rather have a burger than a soy-bean product. The burger tastes better. The life of a cow has no value to me other than being a product that tastes good, produces milk and can be used as leather.
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I have Ken on ignore, I just saw this in a reply.

No, I wasn't talking about "some soy product", and I was thinking farther ahead into the future. Sorry, Ken, but you still don't comprehend the argument. You were apparently too lazy to read what I wrote.

As I have no doubt that you will continue to ignore such, I will not bother to go through the motions of reiterating my argument. I may be in the habit of wasting time, but there's a limit.

Dr. Lao said:
I'll eat what I want, wear what I want and live how I want, and the animal rights whiners can have their opinion, but I will disagree and continue to eat and wear what I want.
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Go ahead. Just be aware that what you "want" can sometimes conflict with the law.

There is an ethical background behind any law, or any social course/discourse.
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
He things humans are somehow magically "superior" to other animals in all moral ways.
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Actually, that would be YOUR position in the debates, you are the one that keeps telling us that since humans are more intelligent, we should follow a specific set of morals that YOU hold.

He also calls intelligence an "arbitrary value judgment" whatever that means,
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It means that you've simply decided that intelligence is the end-all of values to judge other species value off of.
 
Tailgater said:
This thread is going great with the steak and chicken fajita I'm having for lunch.
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It isn't seal, so this is off-topic. But hey, it doesn't matter, as long as you try to piss off those evil vegetarians. ;)
 
Lonewulf said:
It isn't seal, so this is off-topic. But hey, it doesn't matter, as long as you try to piss off those evil vegetarians. ;)
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Nah, I don't think they are evil. Just as long as they don't mess with my domesticated food. They keep balance to people who just want to go around clubbing seals.......doh. I think the thread quit being about seals a long time ago.
 
Cleon said:
I'm...Really trying hard to parse that statement, and failing.

Cuteness, IMO, is really not a factor here. The only reason it plays a role at all is because some of those opposed to the hunt play up the "cuteness" factor to generate sympathy.
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Let me try to parse out my statement. Some here are saying, cuteness-be-damned, killed those Mutha' F' seals. My point, Cleon, is that it cuts both ways. My critics are making cuteness a factor. IOW, let's not let the cuteness issue either prevent or promote our opinion of the slaughter. Instead, let's look at the slaughter closely to see if it is crueler than a slaughterhouse, and if these creatures, regardless of their looks, are being skinned alive.

I admit that it is hard to defend the slaughterhouse as it contains the word "slaughter" while admonishing the seal hunt. But, OK. We have to draw the line somewhere. As I have stated before on this thread, my comfort level for eating a burger is higher than my comfort level for clubbing a golden retriever so that its fur can line a stylish jacket.

As for my "manly" comment, I feel that any sticking up for animals here is considered by some as "soft."
 
steverino said:
Let me try to parse out my statement. Some here are saying, cuteness-be-damned, killed those Mutha' F' seals. My point, Cleon, is that it cuts both ways. My critics are making cuteness a factor.
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I disagree. It is those who are dishonestly painting the hunt as targeting the innocent, cute, fluffy seal clubs who are trying to make cuteness an issue. Note that the OP includes a picture of a cute, furry, baby seal--despite the fact that hunting said "whitecoats" is specifically banned in Canada, and has been for 20 years.

In post #8, the same poster displays a photo of the cute, furry whitecoat seal next to a photo of a skinned one--which, again, gives the mistaken impression that it's the cute widdle furry white seals being slaughtered by the horrible "ignorant and uneducated" hunters.

If anything, the "cuteness-be-damned" responses are irritated responses to this dishonest, emotionally laden tactic.

IOW, let's not let the cuteness issue either prevent or promote our opinion of the slaughter. Instead, let's look at the slaughter closely to see if it is crueler than a slaughterhouse, and if these creatures, regardless of their looks, are being skinned alive.
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I'm with you 100% here. However, so far we haven't seen much in the way of substantiation of either of these claims.

I admit that it is hard to defend the slaughterhouse as it contains the word "slaughter" while admonishing the seal hunt.
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Well, words notwithstanding, the point is that the result is the same--animals are killed, and the visual results will quite possibly turn your stomach. The question is whether the seal hunt is any more cruel than your run-of-the-mill (har!) slaughterhouse.

But, OK. We have to draw the line somewhere. As I have stated before on this thread, my comfort level for eating a burger is higher than my comfort level for clubbing a golden retriever so that its fur can line a stylish jacket.
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And that's fine. I've got no problem with that whatsoever, any more than I have a problem with the forum's resident vegetarians. But I don't think "comfort levels" are at issue here.

As for my "manly" comment, I feel that any sticking up for animals here is considered by some as "soft."
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Again, I don't see that as a factor. We should be concentrating solely on whether the hunt is unnecessarily cruel and the claims of the anti-hunt crowd.
 
steverino said:
As for my "manly" comment, I feel that any sticking up for animals here is considered by some as "soft."
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Indeed, I get that impression as well.

What I find interesting is that it's considered "wrong" for vegetarians to question the morality of eating meat (which is what everyone usually ends up attacking in threads like these), yet it's a-ok and even normal par for the cause of discussions like these for meat-eaters to rub in the face of vegetarians that they're eating meat.

"Oh wow! I'm eating a meat hamburger. Look at that. Mmmm, isn't this great? I'm eating the flesh of a cow -- which you are morally against -- haha! You stupid vegetarian".

Hypocrisy all around, IMO.
 
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It's not wrong to eat meat, and making fun of the weirdo's who think eating meat is wrong is just plain fun.
 
Lonewulf said:
Indeed, I get that impression as well.

What I find interesting is that it's considered "wrong" for vegetarians to question the morality of eating meat (which is what everyone usually ends up attacking in threads like these), yet it's a-ok and even normal par for the cause of discussions like these for meat-eaters to rub in the face of vegetarians that they're eating meat.

"Oh wow! I'm eating a meat hamburger. Look at that. Mmmm, isn't this great? I'm eating the flesh of a cow -- which you are morally against -- haha! You stupid vegetarian".

Hypocrisy all around, IMO.
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It's a meateaters way of saying FU to someone telling them what they are doing is immoral. Just like if you made a thread saying that "doggy-style was immoral and I don't do that". My first reaction is to get my girl and say "oh ya look at me".
 
Tailgater said:
It's a meateaters way of saying FU to someone telling them what they are doing is immoral. Just like if you made a thread saying that "doggy-style was immoral and I don't do that". My first reaction is to get my girl and say "oh ya look at me".
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Which is why there never will be rational discussion on the subject.
 
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thaiboxerken said:
Actually, that would be YOUR position in the debates, you are the one that keeps telling us that since humans are more intelligent, we should follow a specific set of morals that YOU hold.
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You're not making sense. How is my position that humans are somehow magically "superior" to other animals in all moral ways? My position is that humans are more intelligent and thus should know right from wrong.

thaiboxerken said:
It means that you've simply decided that intelligence is the end-all of values to judge other species value off of.
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I've shown how it's the only rational way to determine it.
 
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