Canada Seal Slaughter begins

Dustin Kesselberg said:
You're not making sense. How is my position that humans are somehow magically "superior" to other animals in all moral ways? My position is that humans are more intelligent and thus should know right from wrong.
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You've just restated your position that since humans are more intelligent, we should hold a special "magical" moral position that no other animals should.


I've shown how it's the only rational way to determine it.
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No, you haven't. You've only described your arbitrary value in more detail.
 
armageddonman said:
What's even more funny are meat-eaters who act aggressive/defensive towards vegetarians. What are you afraid of?
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I'm afraid that if the vegetarians get their way, I won't be allowed to eat a nice steak. Vegetarians are free to be vegetarians all they want, the problem comes when they start telling me what to eat or not eat.
 
Tailgater said:
It's a meateaters way of saying FU to someone telling them what they are doing is immoral. Just like if you made a thread saying that "doggy-style was immoral and I don't do that". My first reaction is to get my girl and say "oh ya look at me".
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OK. But you personally are not clubbing baby seals...are you?:(

So I am not accusing you of being immoral, and so you needn't fly up to New Foundland and club seals as a reaction.:)
 
steverino said:
OK. But you personally are not clubbing baby seals...are you?:(

So I am not accusing you of being immoral, and so you needn't fly up to New Foundland and club seals as a reaction.:)
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No, I wouldn't, but I'm not sure how I feel about that either other than if they are doing something illegal they should be held accountable. Animals being hunted probably go through more pain than a quick bashing of the head. Some animals need the population controlled to keep balance with the environment they live in, but I'm no expert in seals. I do know that deer need to be kept in check where I live, so hunting limits are changed to adapt to this. I remember a year when they put too small of a hunting limit on them and there was a jump in the wolf population and car accidents.

The problem I have, is the people that want to give human-like rights to animals to the extent that they want to tell me that I can't eat them or buy products that use animal parts. Or tell restaurants to have a "veggie" menu when it is not good business for them. They don't want an animal to die for any reason that is not natural (which I could think of some horrible natural ways to die). I was in a face to face arguement with this girl that a friend brought over to a barbecue I was having, that had the nerve to start preaching to everyone how wrong it was that we were roasting a whole pig. I wouldn't have cared less if she was vegetarian, but unlike what some posters here think, the vegetarians are usually the defensive/aggressive ones from what I encounter. She was sooo disgusted about the fact she could see the pigs face and was angry at not being informed she was brought to some sick ritual. Wacky girl. Fortunately, when she demanded to leave, my friend dropped her off at the nearest gas station with cab fare.
 
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The_Fire said:
No. We are omnivores. We need both veggies and meaties to stay healthy......

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That's not what omnivore means. Omnivore simply means that we're suited for digesting both plant and animal matter. However if we simply ate fruits and vegetables we would still be just as healthy as if we ate meat and vegetables. Maybe healthier.
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
That's not what omnivore means. Omnivore simply means that we're suited for digesting both plant and animal matter. However if we simply ate fruits and vegetables we would still be just as healthy as if we ate meat and vegetables. Maybe healthier.
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This post is false, by most accounts that I have read. You cannot have a vegetable-only diet without some form of supplement and expect to remain healthy. There are certain products in meat that our body requires for optimum health, that you can supplement; but you do need the supplements.
 
Lonewulf said:
This post is false, by most accounts that I have read. You cannot have a vegetable-only diet without some form of supplement and expect to remain healthy. There are certain products in meat that our body requires for optimum health, that you can supplement; but you do need the supplements.
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What would those be?
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
What would those be?
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Just a quick link I looked up...

http://www.wikihealth.com/Key_Nutrients_Needed_in_a_Vegetarian_Diet

Mainly Iron, Vitamin B12, Protein (not as big a deal, and not that hard to get in a vegetarian diet), etc.

I'm not saying that you can't get them from fruit or vegetable sources; but you have to balance your meals a lot more than in an omnivorous diet, at the least, as some of the nutrients (such as Iron and B12) are mainly found in meat sources.

Hmm, I think I posted too strongly in my previous post... but I would say that supplements would be highly recommended. Just not entirely necessary, with proper nutritional information.
 
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Lonewulf said:
Just a quick link I looked up...

http://www.wikihealth.com/Key_Nutrients_Needed_in_a_Vegetarian_Diet

Mainly Iron, Vitamin B12, Protein (not as big a deal, and not that hard to get in a vegetarian diet), etc.

I'm not saying that you can't get them from fruit or vegetable sources; but you have to balance your meals a lot more than in an omnivorous diet, at the least, as some of the nutrients (such as Iron and B12) are mainly found in meat sources.

Hmm, I think I posted too strongly in my previous post... but I would say that supplements would be highly recommended. Just not entirely necessary, with proper nutritional information.
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Taking vitamin supplements isn't very difficult and people should be doing it regardless of if they are vegetarians or not.
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
Taking vitamin supplements isn't very difficult and people should be doing it regardless of if they are vegetarians or not.
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Yeap. Never stated otherwise. Supplements are still a necessity nonetheless, and for certain people (including those below a certain wage limit, and those in underdeveloped countries), it's not always an option. Vegetarianism isn't always a viable option for everyone.

Tailgater said:
I would add calcium for the non-milk drinking veggies, although we keep a backstock of artificial powdered milk that's not too bad.
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I'm currently drinking a glass of chocolate soymilk. This stuff is really popular here; it tastes good, and most people (even non-vegetarians/vegans) love it.

It's got all the benefits of milk, and even more, while still providing needed calcium and the like. Not only that, but it also has none of that annoying fat.

Also, calcium can be found in non-meat products. I believe that some sources were given in the link I provided.

ETA: Oh, it's also listed in the source you provided. Good stuff.

I could go for a plate of spinach right now.
 
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Tailgater said:
I was in a face to face arguement with this girl that a friend brought over to a barbecue I was having, that had the nerve to start preaching to everyone how wrong it was that we were roasting a whole pig. I wouldn't have cared less if she was vegetarian, but unlike what some posters here think, the vegetarians are usually the defensive/aggressive ones from what I encounter. She was sooo disgusted about the fact she could see the pigs face and was angry at not being informed she was brought to some sick ritual. Wacky girl. Fortunately, when she demanded to leave, my friend dropped her off at the nearest gas station with cab fare.
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These wacky-type chicks are usually really good in bed.
 
Tailgater said:
I wouldn't have cared less if she was vegetarian, but unlike what some posters here think, the vegetarians are usually the defensive/aggressive ones from what I encounter.
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Most vegetarians that I encounter I actually initiate an inquiry when it comes up; they aren't very pushy.

The pushy ones are the ones that tend to get noticed. Just like fundamentalists of any group. ;)

She was sooo disgusted about the fact she could see the pigs face and was angry at not being informed she was brought to some sick ritual.
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To her, it was disgusting. To some people, seeing a dog roasted alive (or dead, even) is disgusting. "Disgust" is all about personal perception; and if she was not informed that a pig was going to be roasted, then I can see why she was appalled. Once more, it seems like your main concern is that she isn't MAN enough (er, woman enough?) to see a carcass and think, "Oh, hey, it's just dead meat that I can eat", and instead saw what was once a live animal.

Some people don't actually like seeing the whole of dead animals. Personally, I loathe being able to see the face of the animal that I'm eating. It's disturbing.

But then, I'm not a REAL man, I guess. ;)


Okay, seriously, I find it interesting that you are so upset over her reaction. She was not informed that a whole pig was going to be cooked, right? And when she saw it, she was disturbed, and reacted in that sense. I don't quite see why her reaction was that bad; if she had never been exposed to a dead animal, I don't think she would have had the desensitization that, say, a redneck would have while he's tearing out the guts of a deer carcass.

ETA: I wouldn't be surprised if there was something else about this scenario that wasn't stated or that I'm just not imagining. When you mentioned that she was "preaching" how wrong it was, I can see that there's a possibility that it was much worse than I'm imagining currently...
 
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