Can this qualify as a challenge?

[Jocky]

I do not know what proofs will you need to show that the spirit exists. There are people in this forum who still do not accept that we talk to a spirit or the spirit exists.

OK, this has now got silly. While we were talking about a possible challenge this was a legitimate discussion, but it has now veered into trolldom.

PC, you do so know what proof we need. The challenge was the first step to providing that proof. The challenge has been declined, so there is no evidence and (in accordance with Occam's razor) no spirit. End of story.

Your efforts to provide 'evidence' by finding patterns in licence plates is pathetic and risible. Look up numerology before posting more of this drivel.

[unsubscribes from thread]

 

[Joe Random]

Dear Thabiguy and Fellow Forumers,



I am very sorry for I thought the registration plate number of the Toyota Echo economy car was 486 IDE. This afternoon, when I was doing my outdoor work at home, I passed by the back of the car and noticed that its registration plate number is 462 IDE. I remember IDE because of what it stands for but not the number because I cannot figure out its significance.

Then I remember that it was not 462 that I posted in the forum. I subtracted 111 from 462 and the answer is 351. I remembered what you posted -- to one number, you added 111 and to the other, you subtracted 111. The registration plate number of the first car is 240 ICD. If we add 111 to 240, the answer is 351 -- also! Coincidence? And you said the 3 is C, 5 is E, and 1 is A, the letters representing C for Christ, E for Echo and A for Ama.

Thanks a lot, Thabiguy, for the information. Maybe God used you to reveal this to me. I really could not figure out what 462 and 240 stood for. Now, with your ingenuity, I think, it makes sense.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

<Pinto>

"Could I buy some pot from you?"

</Pinto>

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Jocky and Fellow Forumers,

OK, this has now got silly. While we were talking about a possible challenge this was a legitimate discussion, but it has now veered into trolldom.

PC, you do so know what proof we need. The challenge was the first step to providing that proof. The challenge has been declined, so there is no evidence and (in accordance with Occam's razor) no spirit. End of story.

Your efforts to provide 'evidence' by finding patterns in licence plates is pathetic and risible. Look up numerology before posting more of this drivel.

[unsubscribes from thread]

I understand that the challenge has been declined by the spirit Himself. I admit that I do not have the ability to know what numbers are in a sealed box but I firmly believe that with the spirit, He can tell me what they are. That is why in the challenge, I said that He can give the five random numbers in each of the ten boxes correctly. Success is ten out of ten and failure is even being wrong once.

I have mentioned the prophecies but you want to be very specific--time, date, place. Did God tell Noah when the flood will come? Didn't the flood come 100 years later? How about the birth to a son by a virgin? It happened 700 years later. But the prophecies I told you that the spirit revealed will not take that long. I know they will come but when? In His time.

You may find me in the Religion and Philosophy Forum. At present, I have opened a topic entitled "Virginia Tech Massacre - a fulfillment of a prophecy?". You may post your questions there and I will try to answer them to the best of my ability and knowledge.

Before I exit from this forum, I will just answer some of your questions to clarify things. Hopefully, in a week or so, I will make my final post.

Thank you very much to all who participated especially to those who helped in formulating the test protocol, such as Jackalgirl, Loss Leader, and others.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[GzuzKryzt]

...
I have mentioned the prophecies but you want to be very specific--time, date, place. Did God tell Noah when the flood will come?Didn't the flood come 100 years later?

If this "god" who allegedly created this planet in a couple of days is off by a hundred years, this is not nearly good enough because it is not even close.
Also, we have no evidence for that specific event except a very dubious book.

How about the birth to a son by a virgin? It happened 700 years later.

Not even close. Again. Very dubious source. Again. Evidence? None. Again.

But the prophecies I told you that the spirit revealed will not take that long. I know they will come but when? In His time.

You may see it that way, in fact, you obviously do.

I see it this way: Your "god" or "spirit" gives you nothing besides wild guesses - even the Oracle from "The Matrix" is more precise - and when you ask for something specific, he says: "Screw you. You get nothing."

Despite the complete lack of evidence, you bow to him/her/it, wave his/her/its flag, refuse to think for yourself and act like a fool in his/her/its name.



Enjoy your debates in the R&P subforum, PeaceCrusader. I have lost all respect for you.

 

[EHocking]

Dear Fellow Forumers,

This is the conversation I had with the spirit regarding the JREF Challenge on Holy Thursday, April 5, 2007:

snip transcript

The medium, Mrs. Alvaran, will agree to participate if the spirit says so. Although she told me beforehand that the spirit will not agree because that is like gambling. The final say is with the spirit. Had He agreed, Mrs. Alvaran would have followed His order.

I am very sorry that my application for the Challlenge has to be cancelled. Without the participation of the spirit, I cannot know the numbers in the boxes.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

what I don't understand is why the medium thought this would be like gambling.

It's only a gamble if you do not know the outcome.

ie. you are guessing. Such as in cards or in a lottery.

If the "spirit" is all knowing - no guessing comes into it, so no gambling.

 

[nathan]

The registration plate number I received in 2003 for our Holden Apollo was 240 ICD. For the commuter car I bought in 2006, its registration plate was 486 IDE. Why do you think that I am obsessed with numerology? I do not even know the significance of 240 or 486.

this is easy ...

240 ICD obviously means a model 240 Implantable Cardioverter Defibrillator.

486 IDE obviously means Interactive Debug Environment for a 486 (aka pentium predecessor) processor.

It was a sekret message telling you to improve the model 240 using some numerical analysis.

I think that's much more likely than your interpretation.

A man sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest.

 

[nathan]

You may find me in the Religion and Philosophy Forum. At present, I have opened a topic entitled "Virginia Tech Massacre - a fulfillment of a prophecy?". You may post your questions there and I will try to answer them to the best of my ability and knowledge.

oh good grief. You know, when I was catching up on this thread with all the talk about god decimating the population and all, the thought crossed my mind about an extremely bad taste joke concerning the VT shootings. I cannot believe that you honestly think this might be your god's work. What kind of psychopath is this deity of yours?

 

[Moochie]

oh good grief. You know, when I was catching up on this thread with all the talk about god decimating the population and all, the thought crossed my mind about an extremely bad taste joke concerning the VT shootings. I cannot believe that you honestly think this might be your god's work. What kind of psychopath is this deity of yours?

Evidently one that's raising a lot of red flags. What next, Jesus on YouTube declaiming our wicked ways and how we're all gonna pay?

M.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

oh good grief. You know, when I was catching up on this thread with all the talk about god decimating the population and all, the thought crossed my mind about an extremely bad taste joke concerning the VT shootings. I cannot believe that you honestly think this might be your god's work. What kind of psychopath is this deity of yours?

"Jesus is pain/Jesus is gore/Jesus is the blood/That's spilled in war.
He's everything/He's all things dead/He's pulling on the trigger/Pointed at your head.
Through fear you're sold into the fraud/Revelation revolution.
I see through your Christ Illusion"

(Slayer, "Cult", from the album "Christ Illusion".)



It becomes even more powerful if you listen to the song at maximum volume. Slayer have often displayed questionable attitudes, but they nailed christianity right where it belongs.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Psiload and Fellow Forumers,

I am back but not to pursue the Challenge anymore. I just would like to complete what need to be clarified and present my view before I finally depart.

Okay... I'll bite. What, pray tell, profound significance is revealed by the license plate numbers 240 ICD and 486 IDE?

This oughta be a hoot.

Ah ha!...

Did you know what ICD means? It stands for something like in text messaging: "I see Thee". A few days later after I got the plate number, a Roman Catholic priest told me that ICD stands for the Latin Iesus Christus Dominus meaning Jesus Christ Lord. After another few days, I found out that instead of Dominus, the Latin word Deus is more appropriate--Iesus Christus Deus--meaning Jesus Christ God.

IDE stands for "I Thee Echo". Is it a coincidence that the second-hand economy car I bought last year (August 2006) is a Toyota Echo?

IDE stands for I Thee Echo?

Sir... you have just pegged the Fruitcake-O-Meter in the "Nuttier Than" range.

If you will send a text message containing the word "Thee", how would you type it? How do you pronounce "Thee"? And how do you pronounce the following: they, them, themselves, this, these, that, there, their, than, thus, thy, thyself, thine, thou, though, thence?

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[yairhol]

Anyone have a clue what this nut is talking about?

Regards,
Yair

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear vIQleS and Fellow Forumers,

Yes, the spirit did not say when the prophecies will happen. For example, the human babies with three eyes, human being giving birth to kitten, and cat giving birth to human being were revealed in early 1990s. More than a decade has already passed and I have not known of their fulfilment--yet. But I still believe that one day, they will be fulfilled.

This belief is not rational. To believe in miracles without proof is wrong.

I used to believe in the possibility of miracles - because the bible said so. Then I joined this board and I realized that I had never personally witnessed a miracle. After some serious 'soul'-searching I changed my world view, it didn't hurt much, and you can too if you take a step back and look closely at what you're saying and believing.

The spirit remarked one time that I was asking for a miracle to believe. That was about the mid-1980s when the town became flooded. But He said that miracle would not be at hand or would not happen.

I think what He was implying was it was better to see the fulfillment of a prophecy to believe than seeing a miracle. A miracle may be believed in but it fades. It does not stay. One becomes amazed. OTOH, belief in the fulfillment of a prophecy has undergone the test time and becomes well-rooted and one learns to trust--trusting and praying to God to spare oneself from any evil or calamity that may come.

Now, you have learned some of the prophecies of the spirit. Although the spirit did not give the time when they will be fulfilled, there is already an expection from you that they have been foretold. You will not become shocked when they happen.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[colin]

Dear Psiload and Fellow Forumers,

I am back but not to pursue the Challenge anymore. I just would like to complete what need to be clarified and present my view before I finally depart.







If you will send a text message containing the word "Thee", how would you type it? How do you pronounce "Thee"? And how do you pronounce the following: they, them, themselves, this, these, that, there, their, than, thus, thy, thyself, thine, thou, though, thence?

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

Aaaa... Ya, that really helped.

Anyhoo, bye! Here's some money for a taxi. Let me get that door for you. Have fun! Don't forget to write!

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Davide and Fellow Forumers,

...One thing that is not clear to me is what, in your view, the reason was for Ama refusing to participate. In my view, the reason for refusing is that doing what you asked was impossible, and calling the request not tangi was just an excuse. But I would like to hear what you think.

On a related subject, I'm guessing that you did not ask Ama to give you the numbers that Jackalgirl has written down. Is that correct? I ask because correctly performing that feat would have been very, very tangi (if I understand the word correctly). It would have made many of us here sit up and take notice, and, with no money involved, it was clearly not driven by materialistic movtives.

Assuming you didn't ask about Jackalgirl's numbers, can you say why?

PC,

I'm still wondering. It seems to me that you had a terrrific chance to demonstrate to folks here what you so strongly believe.

Did you ask Ama for Jackalgirl's numbers? If so, what were the results? If not, why didn't you?

Had Ama agreed to the Challenge, I would have asked Jackalgirl's numbers. Unfortunately, He did not accept the Challenge so I did not pursue Jackalgirl's anymore.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[yairhol]

I don't believe PC is telling the truth that it took him 11 years turning from skeptic to a believer. According to the degree of which he is turning everything coming from the 'spirit' in order to suit his expectations, he has been raised up or educated from childhood by people who were believers themselves. Not that it's important...

Regards,
Yair

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear CynicalSkeptic and Fellow Forumers,

Did you know what ICD means? It stands for something like in text messaging: "I see Thee".
IDE stands for "I Thee Echo".

Really, not according to these sites:

http://smseverywhere.com/dictionary.htm
http://techdictionary.com/chat_cont1.html
http://www.webopedia.com/quick_ref/textmessageabbreviations.asp#i

I think you just made those up.

Thank you for referring me to the above links. I read the entry "IC" for "I see". I put E to represent Echo because the car that I bought is a Toyota Echo. There are only 1000 numbers with "IDE". It runs from "000 IDE" to "999 IDE".

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Thabiguy and Fellow Forumers,

The registration plate number I received in 2003 for our Holden Apollo was 240 ICD. For the commuter car I bought in 2006, its registration plate was 486 IDE. Why do you think that I am obsessed with numerology? I do not even know the significance of 240 or 486.

Did you know what ICD means? It stands for something like in text messaging: "I see Thee". A few days later after I got the plate number, a Roman Catholic priest told me that ICD stands for the Latin Iesus Christus Dominus meaning Jesus Christ Lord. After another few days, I found out that instead of Dominus, the Latin word Deus is more appropriate--Iesus Christus Deus--meaning Jesus Christ God.

IDE stands for "I Thee Echo". Is it a coincidence that the second-hand economy car I bought last year (August 2006) is a Toyota Echo?

Are all these coincidence?

I'm Convinced. Definitely.

It's Damning Evidence.

I'll help you decode 240 and 486. Just add one to every digit of 240 and convert it to letters. It gives CEA - clearly meaning Christ, Echo, Ama. And with 486, just subtract one from every digit and you end up with Christ, G, Echo. The G may be slightly confusing, but if you think about it for a while, it becomes obvious what it stands for. That's right - GOTACURAL. Feel free to use this interpretation in whatever way you see fit.

Thanks a lot, Thabiguy, for your kind help. You should work in the Secret Service, such as the Pentagon of the US or ASIO of Australia to break or decipher enigmas.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[Cuddles]

If you will send a text message containing the word "Thee", how would you type it? How do you pronounce "Thee"? And how do you pronounce the following: they, them, themselves, this, these, that, there, their, than, thus, thy, thyself, thine, thou, though, thence?

If you're typing or pronouncing any of those with a "d", you're doing something very wrong.

Edit : Unless you have a blocked nose of course. Then I might let you off.

 

[yairhol]

Ha Ha at Cuddles last reply....

 

[Thabiguy]

Thanks a lot, Thabiguy, for your kind help. You should work in the Secret Service, such as the Pentagon of the US or ASIO of Australia to break or decipher enigmas.

You have already thanked me and I have already replied to that. Picking out patterns and deciphering information is not difficult when there's no information to begin with, freedom to come up with one's own patterns, and no way to falsify the interpretation. If that message didn't come through, then my help will be of no lasting value to you.

And thanks for the compliment. While I guess I might do that kind of a job, I prefer to do jobs where the products of my work can't be easily abused by politicians.