Can this qualify as a challenge?

[chillzero]

My thinking was that the Greek and Roman rulers in Egypt never really assimilated into the population. So Cleopatra was considered a Roman even though her family had been in Egypt for 400 years. Since PC called her an Egyptian princess, I assumed he meant that she was a noblewoman of Egyptian heritage and birth. Although, I honestly have no idea if any of those were left by the BC/AD mark.

But, of course, "Renelindiyindi" is less Greek or Roman than it is Egyptian so your point is well taken.

Still, this is a guy who thinks "Gotacural" and "AIDS" are the same word so I don't see this debunk coming to anything.

Cleopatra was neither Egyptian nor Roman. She was Greek.

 

[Moochie]

Cleopatra was neither Egyptian nor Roman. She was Greek.

Marcus Antonius (Marc Antony) was the real deal, as far as being Roman goes.

Cleopatra was the Queen of Egypt, although of Greek origin.

M.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Moochie and Fellow Forumers,

Good work, Dan. Maybe he was conked on the head in 1999. It's plausible. He wouldn't be the first to experience strange ideation after such an event.

M.

It was in 1999 when we first connected to the Internet. And then, a month or two later, in about May or June, I discovered newsgroups. Since then, I have been participating in discussion, especially on religion or Christianity.

Maybe, it is time to recycle or discuss again what I posted before since there may be many new people who have not heard them yet, especially the young ones or those who just had accessed the Internet recently. But there are many new topics that need to be discussed that I thought about, like "Is the Qu'ran from the true God?" and "Do Muslims believe that Jesus was crucified?". Maybe, later on for recycling.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Loss Leader and Fellow Forumers,

My thinking was that the Greek and Roman rulers in Egypt never really assimilated into the population. So Cleopatra was considered a Roman even though her family had been in Egypt for 400 years. Since PC called her an Egyptian princess, I assumed he meant that she was a noblewoman of Egyptian heritage and birth. Although, I honestly have no idea if any of those were left by the BC/AD mark.

But, of course, "Renelindiyindi" is less Greek or Roman than it is Egyptian so your point is well taken.

Still, this is a guy who thinks "Gotacural" and "AIDS" are the same word so I don't see this debunk coming to anything.

The correct name of this princess is "Reneliniyindi". Her father is King Agleloma if I remember right. I will ask the correct names of the king and queen. If I remember right also, the spirit of that king is now residing in one of the listeners of the spirit. His name is Roman Enriquez.

I will appreciate it very much if you could verify that there was such a king in Egypt by the name of Agleloma.

The spirit is the one who mentioned Princess Reneliniyindi and her father, King Agleloma of Egypt.

With regards to the 14th prophecy, could you please name to us disease or diseases that have occurred since 1980 that fulfil the prophecy stating that it "will occur in epidemic proportions all over the land, and that such disease will be incurable even by the known specialists of the medical profession"?

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Dan O and Fellow Forumers,

I already posted 1 page back how we could generate a target set of random numbers that anyone interested would be able to verify and nobody would be able to cheat. If there is interest I can expand on the brief post with the needed details.

I have picked out five successive numbers from the fourth column of the random numbers generated. I copied them onto a piece of paper, put the paper in an envelope, and sealed the envelope. I cannot even remember the numbers I wrote down. I will leave this envelope here at home on my desk. It is marked, "To be opened when I have come back from the Philippines on April 10, 2007."

I have not told anyone of those numbers I listed down.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Dan O and Fellow Forumers,

You haven't done your homework. As far as I know, PC has been posting the same spiel for almost 8 years. [Some of the early posts were quite entertaining such as asking in one forum what the number of Jesus is then later posting how he had discovered the number of Jesus.]

PC: "Could anyone out there provide the number of Jesus? Please explain how the number is derived."

He currently has a harem of probably 50-100 forums where he posts the same drivel and it hasn't changed much in his 8 year history.

I can usually cut through the troll identity shifts but this one has me stumped. The trail is ice cold before mid 1999.

You cannot find anything posted under my name before mid 1999 because we connected to the Internet only in 1999. I can't remember the month but it surely was before May or June 1999.

At Google's Newsgroup, you are allowed only to post in five newsgroups at a time. So I select which newsgroups where a topic is applicable.

I am still working full-time so I cannot possibly participate in 50-100 newsgroups, as you claim. That is an exaggeration. This Challenge forum alone is already taking a lot of my time just trying to explain things.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[Moochie]

Dear Moochie and Fellow Forumers,



It was in 1999 when we first connected to the Internet. And then, a month or two later, in about May or June, I discovered newsgroups. Since then, I have been participating in discussion, especially on religion or Christianity.

Maybe, it is time to recycle or discuss again what I posted before since there may be many new people who have not heard them yet, especially the young ones or those who just had accessed the Internet recently. But there are many new topics that need to be discussed that I thought about, like "Is the Qu'ran from the true God?" and "Do Muslims believe that Jesus was crucified?". Maybe, later on for recycling.

Best regards,

Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

With each further post you confirm what a sneaky rascal you are.

Go sell your ordure somewhere else, please. You're fooling no one.

M.

 

[Moochie]

Dear Dan O and Fellow Forumers,



I have picked out five successive numbers from the fourth column of the random numbers generated. I copied them onto a piece of paper, put the paper in an envelope, and sealed the envelope. I cannot even remember the numbers I wrote down. I will leave this envelope here at home on my desk. It is marked, "To be opened when I have come back from the Philippines on April 10, 2007."

I have not told anyone of those numbers I listed down.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

M.

 

[Czarcasm]

Re: Title of thread

No, but it does qualify as a complete waste of time.

 

[Moochie]

No, but it does qualify as a complete waste of time.

Was ever a truer word spoken? Typed? Thought?

M.

 

[Dan O.]

You cannot find anything posted under my name before mid 1999 because we connected to the Internet only in 1999. I can't remember the month but it surely was before May or June 1999.

And within a month was banned by your ISP.

I am still working full-time so I cannot possibly participate in 50-100 newsgroups, as you claim. That is an exaggeration. This Challenge forum alone is already taking a lot of my time just trying to explain things.

Yes, I see I did exaggerate. The search listed 150 but I see now that most of them were duplicates. I apologize and post a link to the scoreboard.

 

[Moochie]

And within a month was banned by your ISP.



Yes, I see I did exaggerate. The search listed 150 but I see now that most of them were duplicates. I apologize and post a link to the scoreboard.

Great stuff, Dan.

I see PC has quite an industry going.

I wonder how many he's sucked in here?

M.

 

[Dan O.]

I don't see any evidence that he sucked in anyone from anywhere. But I say we let PC concentrate on the challenge and maybe get a moderator to remove any preaching.

Hopefully PC is already engaged in private protocol negotiations with Jeff Wagg. Unfortunately, all we have seen is that he plans to conduct a poorly implemented self test. A self test is not the JREF preliminary test. And a self test that isn't confirmed by a neutral party can be nothing more than self delusion.

I have mentioned a protocol for generating random target numbers that precludes cheating. All it would require is a few forum members that have access to cryptographic hashing software such as MD5. Each member would make their own list of random numbers and save it as a message in a text file. Then each member would post the MD5 checksum of their message as a commitment so they cannot change the message afterwards. The task of the spirit would be to reveal the target number that will be computed afterwards by summing each column of the member digits without carry.

 

[Czarcasm]

I don't see any evidence that he sucked in anyone from anywhere. But I say we let PC concentrate on the challenge and maybe get a moderator to remove any preaching.

Hopefully PC is already engaged in private protocol negotiations with Jeff Wagg. Unfortunately, all we have seen is that he plans to conduct a poorly implemented self test. A self test is not the JREF preliminary test. And a self test that isn't confirmed by a neutral party can be nothing more than self delusion.

And I don't see any evidence that he plans on conducting any tests at all. All he is doing is posting items with the sole intent of getting people to respond to him, and he doesn't care whether the responses are positive or negative. There will be no properly designed test. There will not even be a poorly designed self-test.

 

[Loss Leader]

I will appreciate it very much if you could verify that there was such a king in Egypt by the name of Agleloma.

PC, why don't you verify it? You're on the internet all the time. Didn't it ever occur to you to look up these names? To write an email to an Egyptologist asking about them? To read anything about Egypt at the time these people were supposed to have lived?

Of course, there was no such king. There is no such name found anywhere on the internet as far as I can tell. It's just another random collection of syllables that means nothing.

You have turned from the word of Christ.

With regards to the 14th prophecy, could you please name to us disease or diseases that have occurred since 1980 that fulfil the prophecy stating that it "will occur in epidemic proportions all over the land, and that such disease will be incurable even by the known specialists of the medical profession"?

Actually, the prophesy just said it would be in the future. There is no reason to think it has happened yet.

However, I don't have to name the disease. The prophesy named the disease. It said it would be known as "GOTACURAL." No disease is known by that made up name.

Just like there is no made up king or made up princess.

Return to Christ and ask forgiveness. If you should pass away before doing so, your soul may not be saved.

 

[Jackalgirl]

I will appreciate it very much if you could verify that there was such a king in Egypt by the name of Agleloma.

There was not. [Source: Kings List] Note that each Pharoah had several names, such as the "Horus name", "Two Ladies name", "Golden Horus name", "Throne name", etc. Every Pharoah had names in the Egyptian language, even the Hyskos, Nubian, and Greek ones (although, of course, they retained names in their own languages).

If you look through the Kings List, you'll begin to notice a pattern in the names, which is related to the language, which has already been covered here. I will provide an example from egyptology online, regarding the names of Tutankhamen ("Living image of Amun", but originally "Living image of Aten" [Tutankhaten], but that's a story for a history thread):

Horus name: Ka-nakht tut-mesut "Strong bull, fitting from created forms"
Nebti or Two Ladies: Nefer-hepu segereh-tawy sehetep-netjeru nebu "Dynamic of laws, who calms the Two Lands, who propitiates all the gods"
Golden Horus: Wetjes-khau sehetep-netjeru "Who displays the regalia, who propitiates all the gods"
Throne name or prenomen: Nesu-bity Nebkheperu-re "King of Upper and Lower Egypt, Lord of the manifestations of Re"
Birth name or nomen: Tut-ankh-aten "Living image of Aten".

Even given that the insertion of vowels into this is completely arbitrary (we don't have a record, beyond what is being inferred/reconstructed from Coptic, of what the vowels were), "Agleloma" is not an Egyptian name.
Plus, you mentioned that this princess was alive "two thousand years ago", which would have been in the Roman period of Egypt's history. During this time, there were no Egyptian kings, at least not officially, as Egypt was a consular province of Rome and the Roman Emperor played the role of Pharoah. Even if there were a "hidden" king, I highly suspect that he would have had Egyptian names.

I consider this subject rather near & dear to my heart, PC (as you can probably tell from my name & avatar), and I can honestly tell you with complete confidence, as everyone else here is telling you, that SOMEONE, whether it be you or this medium or her other medium pal who is pretending to channel an Egyptian king, is making this stuff up straight off the top of his or her head. And not very well. With a tensy bit of research, it would be perfectly possible to come up with a name that would be just about rock-solid un-debunkable, so I am not impressed by the names you have provided. You are being taken, and I agree with Loss Leader: if Jesus did exist, or does exist, I strongly believe you are being drawn away from Him by this chicanery.

PC, have you read both the Challenge application and FAQ thoroughly?

 

[Jackalgirl]

I have picked out five successive numbers from the fourth column of the random numbers generated. I copied them onto a piece of paper, put the paper in an envelope, and sealed the envelope. I cannot even remember the numbers I wrote down. I will leave this envelope here at home on my desk. It is marked, "To be opened when I have come back from the Philippines on April 10, 2007."

I have not told anyone of those numbers I listed down.

This isn't going to work, PC, because even if you think you've forgotten the numbers, there will always be a suspicion that you remember them, and that you will either consciously or subconsciously "cue" the medium about the numbers. The test, in other words, is not "blinded", which is important.

You must understand this. If you do not understand blinding, you will not be able to help the medium devise a protocol for the Challenge.

How 'bout this: I will roll, on my two 10-sided dice, five numbers (from 01-99). I will write these down and PM them to a trusted (by both of us) third party, someone whom we both trust not to tell you the numbers. When you come back, you will then post the numbers here. I will post the numbers I generated. And our trusted third party will also post the numbers he/she has from me (as a proof that I did not change the numbers). The PM from me to our trusted third-party will be time-stamped by the Forum software, and if needs be I'm sure that a mod or admin could verify (if there were any questions) the original stamp on the original PM.

This isn't a perfect protocol, but it is a thousand times better than what you have set up.

Would you accept Loss Leader (if he/she is willing) as a trusted third party? If so, I can have the five numbers off in a PM today.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Jackalgirl and Fellow Forumers,

This isn't going to work, PC, because even if you think you've forgotten the numbers, there will always be a suspicion that you remember them, and that you will either consciously or subconsciously "cue" the medium about the numbers. The test, in other words, is not "blinded", which is important.

You must understand this. If you do not understand blinding, you will not be able to help the medium devise a protocol for the Challenge.

How 'bout this: I will roll, on my two 10-sided dice, five numbers (from 01-99). I will write these down and PM them to a trusted (by both of us) third party, someone whom we both trust not to tell you the numbers. When you come back, you will then post the numbers here. I will post the numbers I generated. And our trusted third party will also post the numbers he/she has from me (as a proof that I did not change the numbers). The PM from me to our trusted third-party will be time-stamped by the Forum software, and if needs be I'm sure that a mod or admin could verify (if there were any questions) the original stamp on the original PM.

This isn't a perfect protocol, but it is a thousand times better than what you have set up.

Would you accept Loss Leader (if he/she is willing) as a trusted third party? If so, I can have the five numbers off in a PM today.

That sounds much better than what Loss Leader suggested, which I followed (see post #318). You may generate the numbers and share them with anyone like Loss Leader. When I come back from the Philippines, I will tell you what the spirit said.

If the spirit is correct in the numbers you generated, what will that mean to you? Would you believe the spirit and who He is?

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[Loss Leader]

Would you accept Loss Leader (if he/she is willing) as a trusted third party? If so, I can have the five numbers off in a PM today.

As a lawyer and as a person used to keeping confidences, I would be glad to act in this role. I object to being called a "he/she" but, in the interest of fairness, my wife thought it was hysterical.

 

[Jackalgirl]

If the spirit is correct in the numbers you generated, what will that mean to you? Would you believe the spirit and who He is?

Probably not right off the bat; I have a lot already intellectually invested in what I currently think; plus, the other information provided (such as the Egyptian Princess stuff) is so completely obviously bogus that it raises extremely high barriers to belief in my mind, which aren't going to be overcome by simply passing one test like this. However, I will probably believe that something is going on, just that I wouldn't know what that is yet. It'd take more investigation.

Which, of course, should be no problem, right? Truth loves questions.

At any rate, I just generated the 5 numbers and have PMd them to Loss Leader. Edited to read: LL, sorry about the he/she bit. I didn't know your gender. But I'm glad your wife got a kick out of the post. : )

PC, I have made this proposal under the understanding that your medium will have to get all five numbers correct in order to pass this test. Do you agree? Please let me know that you agree that it's 5 out of 5 (not 4 out of 5, or 3 out of 5, but the whole 5 numbers guessed correctly).

Also, have you read the Challenge application and FAQ?

P.S. Also, I just want to point out that I used two 10-siders, one marked 10s and the other marked 1s, so there can be no foolin' around with what's in the 10s spot and what's in the 1s. --JG