Can this qualify as a challenge?

[Pro7]

I can't believe that we have descended to the level of waiting for a "spirit" to give us the ok for a challenge. Why persist with such delusions.

lol
delusions are delusions arent they? lol haha

 

[Pro7]

Dear Loss Leader and Fellow Forumers,



Although the response above of Loss Leader was for Pro7, I wish to give my comments.

My experience is real and is not exclusive to me. Other people are present also in our sessions with the spirit. After eleven years, in 1994, I have accepted that that spirit is none other than the spirit of Jesus Christ.

I am sharing to the world through the Internet the messages of the spirit. You may read many of them in my website. I do not have the wisdom and ability to say such things as what the spirit said.

I come to this forum to present Him that He can easily name all that may be put in sealed boxes. I have much confidence that that will be very easy for Him, that is why I even proposed that naming ALL items correctly will be a sign of success and anything wrong, even one, will be a sign of failure. So by next week, we will know if He would agree to undergo the JREF test.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

Well..

 

[Pro7]

Dear Loss Leader and Fellow Forumers,



Although the response above of Loss Leader was for Pro7, I wish to give my comments.

My experience is real and is not exclusive to me. Other people are present also in our sessions with the spirit. After eleven years, in 1994, I have accepted that that spirit is none other than the spirit of Jesus Christ.

I am sharing to the world through the Internet the messages of the spirit. You may read many of them in my website. I do not have the wisdom and ability to say such things as what the spirit said.

I come to this forum to present Him that He can easily name all that may be put in sealed boxes. I have much confidence that that will be very easy for Him, that is why I even proposed that naming ALL items correctly will be a sign of success and anything wrong, even one, will be a sign of failure. So by next week, we will know if He would agree to undergo the JREF test.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

I was a bible scholar for many years...

I know there is something wrong with this issue, but for our sakes, I wont mention it. Its not worth discussing over a spirit who claims to be what it isnt. Someone or something can give you so many truths in its own point of view.. but yet, the real truth should outshine all.

IF you are speaking the truth, but unknowingly that you are leading something into its abyss, you will know that a special white bird will only fly over you once.

 

[Pro7]

Ooooh is the super-secret abilitiy to see invisible ufos? Or do you have other powers as well?

Oh yea.. I got powers you wont believe!!!

wanna know what it is?

Its Common Sense!

Just pullin your chain, hopefully you dont take it seriously.. are you taking this seriously??, I am not going down to the corner market and start posting signs...

 

[MondoAtheist]

So is Jesus ready to win a million dollars yet? Also what's this about him *giggle* being inside Filipino women? I just hope they're pure, or else it could really ruin Jesus' credibility.

I totally ruined whatever integrity I had left with that post.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Even if we accept that Jesus existed, and that you are able to "prove scientifically" that he was born and died on the dates you claim, this won't work as a paranormal challenge because you could have worked out the scientific proof ahead of time, and merely made up the claim that a spirit revealed those dates to you.

i.e.
Claim: A spirit revealed to me that February 29th 2008 will be a Friday.
Proof: Look at a calendar.
I'll take that $1m please.

Somehow, I doubt Randi will go for that.

This is right. Anything you claim to have learned about supernaturally but has already occurred cannot be shown to have been learned about supernaturally. Sort of a catch 22.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I did it again! I'm so not observant. Here I am thinking I'm posting on a new thread and the discussion is 6 pages ahead....never mind...

 

[Pro7]

I did it again! I'm so not observant. Here I am thinking I'm posting on a new thread and the discussion is 6 pages ahead....never mind...

When a person slips on a banana peel, that person has a choice:

1. Pick up the banana peel and throw it away in the garbage and has nothing further to do with it..

2. Declare it paranormal since he/she didnt know why the banana peel was there in the first place.

Most people, in this insane world, would probably go with #2.

When you walk around in the nude, how does that feel to you?

1. Doesnt feel comfortable
2. Feels good..
3. have no regards to nudism and does what it is natural or considered as in nature...

People, in this insane world, would be confused and choose all 3.

Thats the whole point of this thread. It is designed to confuse people. People starts to talk about spiritism is only one step away from confusing others. That part is a well known fact.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

I can't believe that we have descended to the level of waiting for a "spirit" to give us the ok for a challenge. Why persist with such delusions.

To a certain degree determined by common sense, I will wait for a potential claim to come together. PeaceCrusader's manners are good for some patience.

It might be a delusion, it might be something different. Only a test will give us more conclusive results.

 

[Burner]

I will keep you posted of any developments. Thank you for your kind waiting.

PC, this is excellent news indeed. But you forgot to answer this:

How can a prophecy not be fulfilled? A prophecy tells you what is going to happen. That's the whole point of them. If it doesn't happen then it was merely someone making a wild guess at the future. People doing this are known as false phophets, and the bible makes it quite clear that god is not at all happy about them.

 

[Moochie]

To a certain degree determined by common sense, I will wait for a potential claim to come together. PeaceCrusader's manners are good for some patience.

It might be a delusion, it might be something different. Only a test will give us more conclusive results.

M.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Burner and Fellow Forumers,

PC, this is excellent news indeed. But you forgot to answer this:

How can a prophecy not be fulfilled? A prophecy tells you what is going to happen. That's the whole point of them. If it doesn't happen then it was merely someone making a wild guess at the future. People doing this are known as false phophets, and the bible makes it quite clear that god is not at all happy about them.

Someone has already listed in this thread the 19 prophecies that the spirit revealed in October 1979 and published in March 1980 in the Sunday magazine supplement of a Manila daily newspaper. In your own opinion, were any of the prophecies fulfilled? Twenty-seven years have passed and surely, we will know if any has been fulfilled.

One of the reasons why I believed that the spirit we talk to is the spirit of Jesus in 1994 was seeing the fulfillment of His prophecies. According to Jesus in John 16:13, the Holy Spirit "will show you things to come." What does this mean? The Holy Spirit will prophesy.

Please remember this: only the true God can give prophecies and make them happen. This is what separates the true God from the false gods and I find this to be logically correct. The true God showed His power when He gave the ten prophecies to Moses to convey to the Pharaoh. Did they happen? Of course, they did that is why the Israelites were liberated from bondage in Egypt and brought to the Promised Land more than 3000 years ago.

Who can say that a cat can play the piano? Baby born alive and 22 weeks (5-1/2 months) old only? Incredible? You will see more unbelievable occurrences which are nevertheless true. Thanks to the current technology, like the Internet.

I will try to answer as many posts as possible. I still am working full-time so it's only in the evening of weekdays and during weekends that I could read and answer them.

Our wait will not be long. I got the phone number of the woman in the Philippines now through the courtesy of a couple in California who are believers and used to listen to the spirit when they were in the Philippines. The woman asked me to call again on March 3 or 4 to get the answer of the spirit. I will do so and convey to you His answer immediately and no later than March 4, 2007.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Burner and Fellow Forumers,

So the spirit admits that he/she might be wrong in which case something else will happen? We will be killing eachother? Newsflash: We are killing eachother ALL THE TIME.

And you say it took 10 years for you to start to belive this spirit. What was it exactly that made YOU belive him? What did this spirit tell you in connection to YOU that made you belive him?

And you didn't aswered my questions:
So if Jesus hadn't died the Holy Spirit wouldn't have come? Does that mean it was right for Jesus to die all along? I don't get it. If this is so, why does everyone hate Judas? He was just helping his friend.

Killing each other? Please compare what is happening in Iraq and say, between Norway and Sweden?

What made me believe in 1994 that the spirit we talk to is Jesus? This is what triggered it: Please attach to my home page the file amapix.jpg. It is found in "Signs Behind God's Calendar" in the Aristean Calendar. (Please post the link if you could; I cannot.) Please notice the bold first character of the paragraphs in the two columns. They spelled A-M-A. That is the name of the spirit we talk to. In Pilipino, Ama means God the Father.

Did you know that a few days after the newspaper journalist Lynda Fallon interviewed me, I asked her if I could read what she wrote and to be published? My purpose of asking her was to correct any wrong details. She told me that it is not a policy of the company to show what they will publish. So I did not have any idea of how she would have it published.

The article was published on April 26, 1994. It was not placed as a news article but in "Macarthur Life" as a feature article. I did not notice the bold characters. Six weeks after, when I re-read the article, that was when I noticed A-M-A. I was very surprised, really, really surprised! I was not involved in any publication work, such as writing, editing, layouting, etc., except being interviewed.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[Burner]

Dear Burner and Fellow Forumers,





Someone has already listed in this thread the 19 prophecies that the spirit revealed in October 1979 and published in March 1980 in the Sunday magazine supplement of a Manila daily newspaper. In your own opinion, were any of the prophecies fulfilled? Twenty-seven years have passed and surely, we will know if any has been fulfilled.

Thank you for your answers PC. Yes, I have read the prophecies and unfortunately I've found no proof that any of them have been fulfilled. Most prophecies are very vague, so pretty much anyone could've predicted them, such as: VIOLENT WEATHER, PEOPLE'S RELATIONSHIP, BREAK-UP OF FAMILIES,POPULATION EXPLOSION, INSANITY, WAR etc.
The only couple of prophecies that had some specific name/time were the GOTACURAL disease which, if it refers to AIDS, was obviously wrong, and the great sorrow of the world in the second or third month of 1980. Unfortunately I found no such event. Feel free to point out this world wide sorrow event if you want. Here's a link to help you along:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980#February

And here's a link to the pic you wanted to post.
http://www.geocities.com/peacecrusader888/amapix.jpg

 

[Loss Leader]

In your own opinion, were any of the prophecies fulfilled? Twenty-seven years have passed and surely, we will know if any has been fulfilled.

As I had previously stated, of the 19:

1. VIOLENT WEATHER

Normal and natural;

2. UNNATURAL AND UNBELIEVABLE OCCURRENCES - Certain infants will be born with fully-grown hair and a complete set of adult teeth.

Normal and natural.

3 PEOPLE'S RELATIONSHIP

Status quo since 1979

4 CONFUSION OF WORSHIP

Status quo since 1979

5 SIGNIFICANT REVELATIONS FROM HEAVEN -

Utterly untestable

6 BREAK-UP OF FAMILIES

Status quo

7 FIRES AND LIGHTNINGS -

Normal and natural

8 DROUGHT

Normal and natural

9 POPULATION EXPLOSION

Status quo (the expected rise from 1979)

10 UNPRECEDENTED SORROW

Did not come to pass.

11 ALIENATION FROM GOD

Untestable

12 MIGRATION OF WILD ANIMALS

Status quo (expected due to population increase)

13 INSANITY

Did not come to pass (no great increase in 1980 or drop off in 1989)

14 GOTACURAL DISEASE

Did not come to pass

15 WAR - The ambition and motivation for war will be perennial inducements among all races until such inducements are made manifest three years after 1979;

Status quo and/or what the hell does this mean?

16 NAMELESS DISEASES

Normal and natural

17 WORM PLAGUE

Did not come to pass

18 WOMEN'S LAX ON CHASTITY

Did not come to pass (society has gotten progressively More chaste since 1979)

19 REVOLT OF THE ELEMENTS

Did not come to pass.

I got 5 weather-related predictions that were all normal and natural; 6 human-relations predictions that were all status quo (or expected) from 1979; 6 predictions that did not happen and 2 untestable predictions about the spirit world.

I do not believe a single one of these 19 prophesies qualifies as detailed and definite enough even to test. Most of them simply boil down to "things will stay the same." I see not a single one of them as any evidence of any paranormal or divine ability of the prophet.

Waiting to hear from the little, old woman.

 

[Doc Daneeka]

Dear Burner and Fellow Forumers,
One of the reasons why I believed that the spirit we talk to is the spirit of Jesus in 1994 was seeing the fulfillment of His prophecies. According to Jesus in John 16:13, the Holy Spirit "will show you things to come." What does this mean? The Holy Spirit will prophesy.

Please remember this: only the true God can give prophecies and make them happen.

You know, even an atheist can quote scripture. If you are serious about this stuff, then you'd best take heed of these verses.

"And many false prophets shall rise and shall seduce many" Mat 24:11

"Thou shalt have this sign: Whatsoever that same prophet foretelleth in the name of the Lord, and it cometh not to pass: that thing the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath forged it by the pride of his mind: and therefore thou shalt not fear him" deuteronomy 18:22

That last verse just about sums it up. We all know here that this 'spirit' either won't choose to answer, or will answer and get it wrong. Will you then follow the world of god and disavow this spirit?

LOL.

Of course you won't. You're committed to believing in the 'spirit'. When the 'spirit' refuses to answer, you'll come up with a rationale for that. And if it gives the wrong answer, you'll come up with some tenuous reason why it really got things right.

Anyway, I await the answer from the 'spirit'.

 

[Pro7]

As I had previously stated, of the 19:

--snip!
Waiting to hear from the little, old woman.

The lady in phillipines sure isnt a old lady. She's running around downtown manilia promoting her own religious forms written on cardboard..and eats chinese food all the time.

uh wait..

just now how in the heck did I know that?

ooooo... the spirit of mine told me..

lol...

PC.. you havent answered any of my posts.. u know its true what I said....

I got eyes of a cat, I know very well what moves in the dark...

 

[Cuddles]

Someone has already listed in this thread the 19 prophecies that the spirit revealed in October 1979 and published in March 1980 in the Sunday magazine supplement of a Manila daily newspaper. In your own opinion, were any of the prophecies fulfilled? Twenty-seven years have passed and surely, we will know if any has been fulfilled.

This doesn't answer the question. You said

The spirit told us that if the prophecies are not fulfilled,

My point was that if the prophecies are not fulfilled they are not prophecies. You could call them predictions, or more acurately guesses, but they are not prophecies. A prophecy is the word of god, it is not possible for it to be wrong. You, or your spirit, are claiming to give the word of god but at the same time claiming not to be accurate. This simply does not make sense. If you are talking to god you can be 100% accurate. Without even looking at the predictions we can say that you are not 100% accurate because you, and through you the spirit, have admitted that you are not. Therefore the spirit is not god.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Burner and Fellow Forumers,

Thank you for your answers PC. Yes, I have read the prophecies and unfortunately I've found no proof that any of them have been fulfilled. Most prophecies are very vague, so pretty much anyone could've predicted them, such as: VIOLENT WEATHER, PEOPLE'S RELATIONSHIP, BREAK-UP OF FAMILIES,POPULATION EXPLOSION, INSANITY, WAR etc.
The only couple of prophecies that had some specific name/time were the GOTACURAL disease which, if it refers to AIDS, was obviously wrong, and the great sorrow of the world in the second or third month of 1980. Unfortunately I found no such event. Feel free to point out this world wide sorrow event if you want. Here's a link to help you along:
websitehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980#February

And here's a link to the pic you wanted to post.
websitehttp://www.geocities.com/peacecrusader888/amapix.jpg

While waiting for March 4, 2007 when I will post the decision of the spirit whether to accept the challenge or not, pardon me if we go off-topic for a while. I would like to discuss some of the prophecies of the spirit published in March 1980 which were posted again by Loss Leader. Sincerest thanks to Loss Leader for that.

I also would like to give my heartfelt thanks to Burner for posting the link to the webpage that shows the feature article with the bold letters A-M-A in the text. That is what triggered me to believe in the spirit. Also in 1994, several "coincidences" happened, notably the discovery that 888 is the number of Jesus. Again, the website's address is my home page followed by jesus888.htm . I will discuss this in another post.

Regarding the prophecies:
1. VIOLENT WEATHER - "More violent manifestations of the weather will occur, causing devastation to both people and crops."
You may say that this is natural. But the prophecy says "more violent manifestation of the weather". Do you want more Hurricane Katrinas, more and bigger and frightening tornadoes, more severe flooding? Please compare the weather pre-1979 and post-1979. When did the hottest years occur? Do we have normal winter, spring, summer and fall these days? Do you want more and severe blizzards and ice storms?
2. UNNATURAL AND UNBELIEVABLE OCCURRENCES - Would you believe that a baby was born in Florida, USA in 1987 with one head with two faces each facing different directions? A calf was born in December 2006 in Virginia, USA with one head with two faces. Would you believe that a baby was born in the Philippines with two heads--one head has the same complexion as the body (Filipinos belong to the brown race) but the other head like that of a black person? Do you believe that the crop circles are hoaxes? Many are just very intricate that no one can make them in a very short period of time. These are "unnatural and unbelievable occurrences, which are nevertheless true", aren't they?
3. PEOPLE'S RELATIONSHIP - How do people treat persons with AIDS? What's the relationship of the world with the Muslims? What if people are indiscriminately killed with nuclear bombs? Why make nuclear bombs in the first place? Have we not learned the lessons of Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Will these "take a bad turn and cause universal unrest"? When will we learn to love one another for peace to reign in this world?
4. CONFUSION OF WORSHIP - "There will be worldwide confusion of worship caused by a lot of religious distortions by pseudo-preachers for self-gain." The spirit told us that before, preaching was a vocation. Now, it is an occupation. It is even a business. Aren't you confused of which god to believe? Or you just prefer to be an atheist to avoid this confusion? Heaven's Gate, Branch Davidian in Waco, Texas, the Japanese cult which bombed the subway in Tokyo, etc.

This is all for now. To be continued.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[GzuzKryzt]

The lady in phillipines sure isnt a old lady. She's running around downtown manilia promoting her own religious forms written on cardboard..and eats chinese food all the time.

uh wait..

just now how in the heck did I know that?

ooooo... the spirit of mine told me..

lol...

PC.. you havent answered any of my posts.. u know its true what I said....

I got eyes of a cat, I know very well what moves in the dark...

Did you really expect a response to your constant mocking and thinly veiled - albeit harmless and puerile - personal attacks?

So far, you did not breach the Membership Agreement and you are of course free to participate in any way you deem necessary.

But you're not helping this thread, Pro7. Try to consider a different approach.