Can the world be Fixed?

arthwollipot said:
Are you saying that the United States isn't United?
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No.

I'm saying your rhetoric relies too much on labels and too little on what actually happens.

When it suits you, of course. As we can see, you're quick enough to dismiss the label if you think it gains you some kind of rhetorical advantage.

Trausti has made a case that Australia's policy towards Tuvalu is one of economic migration, despite what it supposedly says on the tin. Appealing to the label on the tin doesn't address any of his claims about what's actually inside.
 
theprestige said:
Trausti has made a case that Australia's policy towards Tuvalu is one of economic migration, despite what it supposedly says on the tin. Appealing to the label on the tin doesn't address any of his claims about what's actually inside.
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It's not the "label on the tin" it's the content and substance of the treaty and its explicit purpose.
 
arthwollipot said:
It's not the "label on the tin" it's the content and substance of the treaty and its explicit purpose.
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And yet a climate effects mitigation purpose isn't served by an economic migration lottery that excludes children from consideration.

The content and substance of the treaty is the label. The policy of admitting economic migrants by lottery is what's actually inside.
 
arthwollipot said:
It's not the "label on the tin" it's the content and substance of the treaty and its explicit purpose.
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If they had named it the "Anti-Martian Protection Visa" would you believe the actual purpose was to protect them from little green men?
 
Trausti said:
My, Dude. How many Tuvaluans were driven out of their homes and washed up in rickety boat on Australia's shores?
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Hopefully, none. With any luck, they will all have a safe and dignified avenue for legal migration before that becomes necessary.

theprestige said:
And yet a climate effects mitigation purpose isn't served by an economic migration lottery that excludes children from consideration.
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Why not? You clearly don't understand this at all.
 
arthwollipot said:
Hopefully, none. With any luck, they will all have a safe and dignified avenue for legal migration before that becomes necessary.
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Why is luck a factor? What about your vaunted treaty?

arthwollipot said:
Why not? You clearly don't understand this at all.
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So explain it. Tuvalu is drowning, but only earners are allowed to enter a lottery to emigrate to the land of plenty.
 
theprestige said:
And North Korea is explicitly a democratic people's republic.
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Analogy fail.

People's republic
People's republic... is mainly associated with soviet republics, communist states that self-designate as people's democratic states, sovereign states with a democratic-republican constitution that usually mentions socialism... Following World War II, developments in Marxist–Leninist theory led to the appearance of people's democracy, a concept which potentially allowed for a route to socialism and dictatorship... Countries which had reached this intermediate stage were called people's republics.
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The title 'democratic people's republic' describes what's in the tin pretty well, once you understand it. What you are doing is the equivalent of arguing that Chicken of the Sea canned Tuna doesn't describe what's in the tin because it isn't chicken.
 
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Roger Ramjets said:
Analogy fail.

People's republic

The title 'democratic people's republic' describes what's in the tin pretty well, once you understand it. What you are doing is the equivalent of arguing that Chicken of the Sea canned Tuna doesn't describe what's in the tin because it isn't chicken.
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My argument is that Arth is relying on the same disingenuous labeling strategy that communist states and tuna industrialists rely on.
 
lionking said:
When your island is only a few meters above sea levels, you don’t have much choice. And in case people think a few centimetre sea rise is no big deal, think storm surges.
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Long before storm surges, there's the more important and permanent problem of contamination of the water tables by sea water and the salinisation of the soil, both of which make the low lying islands and coastal regions uninhabitable …
 
Flo said:
Long before storm surges, there's the more important and permanent problem of contamination of the water tables by sea water and the salinisation of the soil, both of which make the low lying islands and coastal regions uninhabitable …
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Yes, agreed. Thanks.
 
lionking said:
When your island is only a few meters above sea levels, you don’t have much choice. And in case people think a few centimetre sea rise is no big deal, think storm surges.
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Absolutely, but for countries such as Bangladesh, the climate refugees are still able to stay. That will not be true for long, and the issue with fresh water Flo mentions will probably be the tippning point. By then, the climate refugee crisis will be noticeable (even to the staunchest deniers), and excacerbated by the destruction of ecosystems, and extreme weather, which will make crop growing impossible.

Water scarcity is a huge problem already, worldwide; around 75 % of the global population will experience water vulnerability this year.
 
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