Can the world be Fixed?

Trausti said:
Those are not refugees. It's a visa program allowing adults from Tuvalu to work in Australia - and access all the benefits. It's capped at 280 a year. My understanding is that 5,000 people applied for the lottery; nearly half the population. Which is understandable. If you lived on a small atoll island in the middle of the Pacific, you'd probably jump at the chance to leave, too. But there's no evidence that these people want to leave because of "climate change." It's obviously economic. Which is why, of course, they capped it. Otherwise, everyone would probably leave. Yet, only people 18+ could apply. So, apparently, "climate change" doesn't affect children. This "climate refugee" narrative is entirely manufactured. Though I have give it to the Tuvaluan government; they played the virtual-signaling smugness of the Australian government to get a great economic deal for their people.
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Quite amazing how you can twist other people's misery into something sinister.
 
Trausti said:
Those are not refugees. It's a visa program allowing adults from Tuvalu to work in Australia - and access all the benefits. It's capped at 280 a year. My understanding is that 5,000 people applied for the lottery; nearly half the population. Which is understandable. If you lived on a small atoll island in the middle of the Pacific, you'd probably jump at the chance to leave, too. But there's no evidence that these people want to leave because of "climate change." It's obviously economic. Which is why, of course, they capped it. Otherwise, everyone would probably leave. Yet, only people 18+ could apply. So, apparently, "climate change" doesn't affect children. This "climate refugee" narrative is entirely manufactured. Though I have give it to the Tuvaluan government; they played the virtual-signaling smugness of the Australian government to get a great economic deal for their people.
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You really ought to have some clue about what you're talking about before opining.

The Pacific Engagement Visa (subclass 192) was created as part of a bilateral treaty Australia and Tuvalu signed in late 2023:

Explainer: What You Need to Know About Australia’s World-First Climate Visa for Tuvalu Citizens

The Pacific Engagement Visa (PEV) – Treaty stream (Tuvalu) was created as part of a bilateral treaty between Australia and Tuvalu encompassing three crucial aspects: climate cooperation, mobility, and security.
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While the visa itself does not mention climate change, the bilateral treaty Australia and Tuvalu that led to it does. Signed in late 2023, the Australia-Tuvalu Falepili Union treaty aims to protect the two countries’ shared interests in security, prosperity and stability “in the face of the existential threat posed by climate change.”

Recognizing climate change as Tuvalu’s “greatest national security concern,” Australia committed to providing assistance to the small nation in case of natural disasters and support for adaptation. Meanwhile, the mobility component of the treaty introduced a special pathway for Tuvaluans to live, study and work in Australia permanently and access benefits granted to permanent residents of the country, including public education and health services.
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Lying just 5 meters (16 feet) above sea levels, experts have warned that up to 90% of the archipelago could be underwater by 2100. But the small nation, home to nearly 11,000 people, is also facing other climate-related threats, including water scarcity, loss of crucial ecosystems and escalating extreme weather events, which are leading financial instability and huge cultural losses.
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ahhell said:
Its not real in that most if not all internet forums/social media platforms a self-selected group. So, spending a lot of time online will tend to give folks a false impression of what most other people who do not spend a lot of time online or focusing on politics think. Anyone remember that story from, IDK, about 10 years ago, It's actually a very small number of folks that actually talk politics on twitter and even smaller group of those people that talk the most.

The entire internet is likely similar. That's bound to give an impression of society that isn't quite right. It would be like thinking, IDK, like thinking folks in an internet group devoted to Taylor Swift were a representative sample of society, probably not even a representative sample of Taylor Swift fans.
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How does any that make it not real life?
 
arthwollipot said:
It's what you're talking about, in ignorance of the facts.
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A reminder that this tangent was started by me pointing out that climate change was going to be a significant cause of migration in the future, and that being wilfully misinterpreted by a climate change denier as a claim that it's already a significant cause of migration right now.
 
Helen said:
How does any that make it not real life?
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Because real life is a lot more complex than that. If the major discussions you have is with people who hold a certain view then you may conclude that the only correct opinion is that view. And only certain topics matter, because only those topics are discussed where you are on the internet.

The result is that many people keep opinions that are not valid.
 
The kind of experiences that ahhell describes exist in "real life" as well. I don't understand why connecting with people who share some of your interests, or opinions, is not "real life", just because we do it on the internet. A great many interactions irl are less than complex as well, but they qualify as "real life". Of course the internet is real life, anything involving human interactions is - the medium may be different, but we are still human, online as well. I find the idea that we aren't quite puzzling.

And as for "keep opinions that are not valid", have you ever met people irl? They are excellent at doing exactly that.

I would actually go as far as to say that we are, on the whole, more likely to meet people with wildly different views/interests/backgrounds/cultures online, since most of us move in much smaller circles irl, circles that are generally far less diverse than many on the internet.
 
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ahhell said:
Its not real in that most if not all internet forums/social media platforms a self-selected group. So, spending a lot of time online will tend to give folks a false impression of what most other people who do not spend a lot of time online or focusing on politics think.
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But that's how real life friend groups work as well. There's nothing unique or unreal about the internet here.
 
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