Can Skeptics be Believers & opposite?

[Kumar]

That's because there is no such thing. Oh, and becayse those healing systems don't do anything.

No. But I know a hell of a lot more about it than you.

But then, so does a cabbage.

No.

It's not a function of believers, it's a function of voluble nitwits.

No.

All these are just your ego, superiority feeling, misses & weaknesses. Try to be positive. Slight bending of (+) can make it (x). Slowly slowly, you can get translation of all "so thought as paranormals" in you language. Then, slowly,slowly you can agree on some already translated.

 

[Traveller]

Can Skeptics be Believers?

I would have to answer yes to that, because that is how I view myself.

I make a distiction between that which is essentially unproveable, the existence of God, for example, and that which could in principle be proved to exist: telepathy, dowsing, even homeopathy.

I believe in the existence of God. I cannot prove it so my belief is a matter of choice, upbringing, personality or what have you.

But I am rightfully skeptical about the existence of paranormal phenomena precisely because their existence could be proved but, as far as I know, never have been.

 

[Kumar]

Can Skeptics be Believers?

I would have to answer yes to that, because that is how I view myself.

I make a distiction between that which is essentially unproveable, the existence of God, for example, and that which could in principle be proved to exist: telepathy, dowsing, even homeopathy.

I believe in the existence of God. I cannot prove it so my belief is a matter of choice, upbringing, personality or what have you.

But I am rightfully skeptical about the existence of paranormal phenomena precisely because their existence could be proved but, as far as I know, never have been.

Welcome here. How can you say that the existance of God is unproveble & telepathy, dowsing, even homeopathy is proveble?

No doubt it is said in ancient studies that;

God creates, nurses and destroys the universe. God is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent and almighty, beyond description, beyond imagination, and beyond calculation.

But if we are much ahead of ancient knowledges & reach, why we can't prove it on ground of above mentioned & other qualities of God or alike God or Son of God? If we can't prove it, how can we say this type of 'miss or weakness' os not there in other 'energy based systems'?

 

[Traveller]

Welcome here. How can you say that the existance of God is unproveble & telepathy, dowsing, even homeopathy is proveble?

Thank you for the welcome.

Because I can imagine how telepathy etc might be proved with a properly designed test. I can't imagine a test that would prove the existance of God. If something is unproveable in principle then it will remain so no matter how much more knowledge we gain.

 

[PixyMisa]

Welcome here. How can you say that the existance of God is unproveble & telepathy, dowsing, even homeopathy is proveble?

Because people weasel on their definition of God to the point where there is nothing that can be tested.

 

[PixyMisa]

All these are just your ego, superiority feeling, misses & weaknesses.

No.

Try to be positive.

This is me being positive.

Slight bending of (+) can make it (x).

Nonsense.

Slowly slowly, you can get translation of all "so thought as paranormals" in you language. Then, slowly,slowly you can agree on some already translated.

More nonsense.

Kumar, there are no paranormals. There's no such thing as "prime energy". Homeopathy doesn't work. We know all these things. Well, you don't, but you live in a fantasy land with only the most tenuous of connections to reality.

 

[Kumar]

Thank you for the welcome.

Because I can imagine how telepathy etc might be proved with a properly designed test. I can't imagine a test that would prove the existance of God. If something is unproveable in principle then it will remain so no matter how much more knowledge we gain.

Sorry, but that can be a limit of just your imaginations but other can have better imaginations/logics.

PixyMisa,

>>Because people weasel on their definition of God to the point where there is nothing that can be tested.<<

Therefore, I say that 'weaknesses' & can be understood in logic but may not in science, as yet.

>>Kumar, there are no paranormals. There's no such thing as "prime energy". Homeopathy doesn't work. We know all these things.<<

Murthy has well concluded in 'Understanding Homeopathy' topic in science forum. Mass..people feels its existance & effects. "Prime Energy" is bit beyond description, beyond imagination, and beyond calculation as yet as you couldn't add anything to this ancient saying. But still, you have next energies, forces, particles etc. somewhat elementary or fundamental.

 

[Traveller]

Sorry, but that can be a limit of just your imaginations but other can have better imaginations/logics.

Yes, absolutely, I don't claim to have an unlimited imagination. My personal view is that God is an unprovable and therefore I am free to believe in Him or not, but if someone were to devise a way in which the existence of God could be proved, in the same sense as we could prove the existence of telepathy, then it would move from the category of 'unprovable' to 'provable but awaiting proof'. Then, for as long as it was in that category, I would have to change from a believer to a sceptic.

 

[Kumar]

Yes, absolutely, I don't claim to have an unlimited imagination. My personal view is that God is an unprovable and therefore I am free to believe in Him or not, but if someone were to devise a way in which the existence of God could be proved, in the same sense as we could prove the existence of telepathy, then it would move from the category of 'unprovable' to 'provable but awaiting proof'. Then, for as long as it was in that category, I would have to change from a believer to a sceptic.

Since you believe in God, you may also be worshiping HIM. Do you get some positive/negative effects/result from your belief & worships? If you don't worship, have you heard anything about it?

 

[Minkster]

Yes, absolutely, I don't claim to have an unlimited imagination. My personal view is that God is an unprovable and therefore I am free to believe in Him or not, but if someone were to devise a way in which the existence of God could be proved, in the same sense as we could prove the existence of telepathy, then it would move from the category of 'unprovable' to 'provable but awaiting proof'. Then, for as long as it was in that category, I would have to change from a believer to a sceptic.

it seems to be a relatively rational approach (to me), although I'm sure some hardcore people here would disagree.

Religion is an odd one. The texts don't stand up to any serious examination as anything other than an impressive work of fiction, but by the same token I can understand (whilst not following it myself) people taking comfort from religion, using it as their own moral code and achieving a feeling of 'belonging' that the various faiths obviously bring. From that context (and because its a completely unwinnable argument for either side) I see nothing really wrong with it. Where I take exception is when people try to force their agenda on others who don't share their beliefs, but thats a different story....

 

[Morwen]

I admire you all. I cannot even begin to understand what Kumar is saying, yet you are able to even get into discussions with him. How do you do it? When I read more than a couple of lines of his messages, I get cross-eyed.

Awed, that's what I am. Awed.

I cannot wait to see how will Kumar misunderstand this post.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Kumarese is a life-time study. You can get better, but you can never master it .

Hans

 

[Kumar]

it seems to be a relatively rational approach (to me), although I'm sure some hardcore people here would disagree.

Religion is an odd one. The texts don't stand up to any serious examination as anything other than an impressive work of fiction, but by the same token I can understand (whilst not following it myself) people taking comfort from religion, using it as their own moral code and achieving a feeling of 'belonging' that the various faiths obviously bring. From that context (and because its a completely unwinnable argument for either side) I see nothing really wrong with it. Where I take exception is when people try to force their agenda on others who don't share their beliefs, but thats a different story....

"Religion is an odd one..... but by the same token I can understand (whilst not following it myself)"

Sorry, but this is also somewhat alike "an impressive work of fiction". Since, this concept couldn't yet be measured & proved, also not followed by yourself--how can you comment on any side? In 'couldn't yet proven/measured aspects', I think 'experianced comments in that field can only hold some meaning'. Sorry again.

 

[Zep]

I admire you all. I cannot even begin to understand what Kumar is saying, yet you are able to even get into discussions with him. How do you do it? When I read more than a couple of lines of his messages, I get cross-eyed.

Awed, that's what I am. Awed.

I cannot wait to see how will Kumar misunderstand this post.

You need to read it with the following basic premise: KUMAR DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HE WRITES EITHER! He's India's answer to Gene Ray...

 

[Morwen]

Oh, I get it now! So, it's an exercise in... automatic writing? I must say, I'm impressed. Sometimes he even manages to make partial sense. Amazing!

And I don't feel one bit guilty for derailing this. If anything, a derail of a Kumar thread must help in decreasing the Universe's entropy.

 

[Rolfe]

Can Skeptics be Believers?

I would have to answer yes to that, because that is how I view myself.

I make a distiction between that which is essentially unproveable, the existence of God, for example, and that which could in principle be proved to exist: telepathy, dowsing, even homeopathy.

I believe in the existence of God. I cannot prove it so my belief is a matter of choice, upbringing, personality or what have you.

But I am rightfully skeptical about the existence of paranormal phenomena precisely because their existence could be proved but, as far as I know, never have been.

What he said.

Rolfe.

 

[Ashles]

Oh, I get it now! So, it's an exercise in... automatic writing? I must say, I'm impressed. Sometimes he even manages to make partial sense.

When did that happen?

Was it on another forum?

As a sceptic I beg you to provide evidence to back up that assertation.

 

[Kumar]

I admire you all. I cannot even begin to understand what Kumar is saying, yet you are able to even get into discussions with him. How do you do it? When I read more than a couple of lines of his messages, I get cross-eyed.

Awed, that's what I am. Awed.

I cannot wait to see how will Kumar misunderstand this post.

As I told, energy based concepts & "believers" may have very strong support of prime/fundamental forces, which may be pushing you skeptics toward me, believer in case of these energy based concepts. This proves paranormal forces opretes inspite of so much fights & adversities between us. Give me the prize.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Even your attempts at humor are lame. Or, rather, your jokes are mostly on yourself. But you do have a point: What makes people keep answering you? ... I suppose it is some human tendency to seek impossible tasks. It is like mountain climbing: It is arduous and unrewarding, but we all dream of being the one who stands at the summit and goes down in JREF history as "The One Who Made Kumar Understand Something".

Hans

 

[Ashles]

Ashles,

Pls check with patients taking homeopathic treatments. Science couldn't yet develop suaitable measuring technology, which can check 'Prime Energy''s role in various energy based healing systems. Do you know what is the source of all fundamental forces & elementary particles & how it opretes?

What utter nonsense. Doesn't deserve a sensible response.

I hate this whole "Physics is too hard to understand so I'll make up something simpler instead because I'm too lazy to learn the truth" approach to science.

And when these people start trying to tell other people how science works it's actually quite irritating.

Well done Kumar for increasing the amount of stupidity and ignorance in the world. Thanks.
Like we didn't have enough of that already.