• Security incident: ISF was recently accessed by intruders. Please change your password, and change it anywhere else you used it. Read more

Can anyone tell me about The Creature from Jekyll Island?

Are you saying you prefer money policy and control/issuance to be left to a unauditable , unaccountable private central bank, than to a congress that at least can be pressed by the taxpayers into transparency and accountability?

Why do you believe this? The reality is:

The Board of Governors, the 12 Federal Reserve Banks, and the Federal Reserve System as a whole are all subject to several levels of audit and review. The Government Accountability Office (GAO) conducts numerous reviews of Federal Reserve activities. In addition, the Board's Office of Inspector General (OIG) audits and investigates Board programs and operations as well as those Board functions delegated to the Reserve Banks. Completed and active GAO reviews and completed OIG audits, reviews, and assessments are listed in the Board's Annual Report)

The Federal Reserve, like many other central banks, is an independent government agency but also one that is ultimately accountable to the public and the Congress. The Congress established maximum employment and stable prices as the key macroeconomic objectives for the Federal Reserve in its conduct of monetary policy. The Congress also structured the Federal Reserve to ensure that its monetary policy decisions focus on achieving these long-run goals and do not become subject to political pressures that could lead to undesirable outcomes. So, members of the Board of Governors are appointed for staggered 14-year terms and the Chairman of the Board is appointed for a four-year term. Elected officials and members of the Administration are not allowed to serve on the Board.

The Federal Reserve does not receive funding through the congressional budgetary process. The Fed's income comes primarily from the interest on government securities that it has acquired through open market operations. Other sources of income are the interest on foreign currency investments held by the Federal Reserve System; fees received for services provided to depository institutions, such as check clearing, funds transfers, and automated clearinghouse operations; and interest on loans to depository institutions. After paying its expenses, the Federal Reserve turns the rest of its earnings over to the U.S. Treasury.

All easily found with a few seconds of searching

Here is a question for you why do all nations have central banks, yep even North Korea, Cuba, Iran and Libya?
 
Last edited:
Why do you believe this? The reality is:





All easily found with a few seconds of searching

Here is a question for you why do all nations have central banks, yep even North Korea, Cuba, Iran and Libya?

As far as i know, none of these countries you cited has a central bank that follow the FED's model, and the "modern money mechanics" as bible. Hence theres auditing and they are within their government's reach. Yes having a central bank can be a nice idea, for the sake of logistics and a little of checks and balances, but the idea of being independant to the level of being beyond any overruling is proving to be a big deception and a scam. That doesnt work, and leads to reckless practices like your FED.

Plus, these countries you cited are considered rogues by the UN / IMF , for they dont follow their policies.



edit: i almost forgot, this thing you "found within seconds" is cute, but the FED has never ever been audited. Bernanke, in fact gave a stupid response to Ron Paul when asked about auditting. HE answer that it would be "interference" . That's completely laughable.
 
Last edited:
fallout, why don't you address the substance in the post you quoted - the fact that the Fed is heavily audited, transparent and accountable?
 
As far as i know, none of these countries you cited has a central bank that follow the FED's model, and the "modern money mechanics" as bible. Hence theres auditing and they are within their government's reach. Yes having a central bank can be a nice idea, for the sake of logistics and a little of checks and balances, but the idea of being independant to the level of being beyond any overruling is proving to be a big deception and a scam. That doesnt work, and leads to reckless practices like your FED.

Plus, these countries you cited are considered rogues by the UN / IMF , for they dont follow their policies.

What is the 'FED" model? They all use FIAT money, oddly the FED is one of most independent banks in the world, in that it doesn't have to deal with political fads

Well yeah...

fallout, why don't you address the substance in the post you quoted - the fact that the Fed is heavily audited, transparent and accountable?

Fallout where do these guys come from: The Board of Governors

Here is a nice little website that deals rationally with all the conspiracy theory, http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/federal-reserve-system

Have fun
 
Last edited:
What is the 'FED" model? They all use FIAT money, oddly the FED is one of most independent banks in the world, in that it doesn't have to deal with political fads

Well yeah...



Fallout where do these guys come from: The Board of Governors

Here is a nice little website that deals rationally with all the conspiracy theory, http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/federal-reserve-system

Have fun

Its so surprising that we are dealing with the Banking scam in the conspiracy theory section. That may put you guys in auto debunking mode when dealing with anything in this sense, like you deal with Big Foot claims. Couldnt go any sillier than that. But well, this thing doesnt belong in here. Its a known fact that the model of the unauditable central banking system based in fiat money and fractional reserve lending is what causes the economic cycles that wipes out savers and workers in the end.

Another point, what does this explanation about the FED is doing on a skeptic website anyways? ITs pure and complete propaganda pro FED. Sorry buddy, instant credibility fail. I deal with the facts that this system is breaking a lot of economies throughout the world. And every of them follows the model of the FED, including adopting the modern money mechanics as manual and the alleged "independency" which is in fact, will to be beyond law and regulation.
 
THE FED IS HEAVILY AUDITED?!?!?!?!?!?! holy bleep. :jaw-dropp

wow

Yup. In addition to the regular GOA audits, it has been audited by big accounting firms too. By law, the Fed and all its branches are audited once per year. That you are unaware of this is not proof of any conspiracy.

ETA -

alleged "independency"
Uh, no.
 
Last edited:
Its a known fact that the model of the unauditable central banking system based in fiat money and fractional reserve lending is what causes the economic cycles that wipes out savers and workers in the end.


Hans: No such ‘fact’ exists, what central banks do is lessen the impact of bad economic cycles and extend good ones. Go look at the US economy in the 1866-1900 when we had no central bank – what was happening?


Another point, what does this explanation about the FED is doing on a skeptic website anyways? ITs pure and complete propaganda pro FED.

Hans: It's what we call reality

Sorry buddy, instant credibility fail.

Hans: Yes I’m afraid so – but then you had already lost that previously, however can you refute what the site SAYS?

I deal with the facts that this system is breaking a lot of economies throughout the world. And every of them follows the model of the FED, including adopting the modern money mechanics as manual and the alleged "independency" which is in fact, will to be beyond law and regulation

Hans: Oh my, so tell us and show us the economic system that works better. Most of the economies in the world are having problems due to politically driven and unwise spending. Just like private persons, if you spend to much you get into trouble.

So we have your agreement that the FED is audited and organized in a non-conspiracy way- or at least we take it that way since you changed subjects, LOL
 
Last edited:
Can anyone tell me about The Creature from Jekyll Island?
The next Syfy mini-series?:D

Sorry post-coital high.:p
 
Yup. In addition to the regular GOA audits, it has been audited by big accounting firms too. By law, the Fed and all its branches are audited once per year. That you are unaware of this is not proof of any conspiracy.

99.9999% of the Fed paranoia stems from their role as a lender of last resort. When a bank is in serious trouble, the Fed can offer them stabilization loans. This information is kept confidential, meaning THEY'RE GIVING OUT MONEY WITHOUT TELLING ANYONE ABOUT IT!!!!

Of course, this makes perfect sense when one considers the dangers of bank runs. If the Fed published, "First National Bank on 3rd Street in Bumpkin, Kansas, needed a loan to avoid going under," what would people with money in that institution immediately do?

The Fed isn't perfect, there are reasonable reforms that could and should be adopted, but as you say, it isn't some entity beyond oversight.
 
Hans: No such ‘fact’ exists, what central banks do is lessen the impact of bad economic cycles and extend good ones. Go look at the US economy in the 1866-1900 when we had no central bank – what was happening?

The contraction act for removing greenbacks from circulation? As far as I know, the money panics that occurred were totally manipulated by the bankers who were lords of almost all credit and banking institutions. They were the big arm of the english central bank , the Bank of England. Like nowadays, they are the lords of the monetary system, they decide when to bring the huge debt to public and declare panics. "Oh look!! Several trillions of bad debt under this rock!! Oh no, its the end of it all, give us a blank check or everything will come down." Remember 2k8? Oh, give us 700billion conservative number, or sky will fall, the market will lose 2k points in a single day , bla bla bla. Back to 1866, the same line of bankers, under the guidance of the Bank of England, were responsible for ramming this act through the a congress frightened by these induced panics, and for the approval of yet another Central Bank, which has been previously vetoed by one of the few true brave men you had alongside with Lincoln, Andrew Jackson.

Oh i know, its alll conspiracy theory, England has never been greedy, imperialist nor wanted to see U.S economy bent to them at that time.


Hans: It's what we call reality

Nope youre living in mars, im pretty sure, if you think the FED is ok and has ever been audited. Really, it is pathetic.


Hans: Yes I’m afraid so – but then you had already lost that previously, however can you refute what the site SAYS?

The site doesnt say anything but bla bla bla, could be at the FED homepage easily! The FED never been transparent, even Bernanke says that, and we had Greenspan also saying it previously. They feel they're above the law and they are second to none, they do as they please. They simply assume that they are the only ones who knows whats better for the people economically speaking. They refute any attempt at auditing as possible harassment and interference with their independence. According to this laughable source, theres nothing wrong with the FED whatsoever, the crisis is a magical happening.

Hans: Oh my, so tell us and show us the economic system that works better. Most of the economies in the world are having problems due to politically driven and unwise spending. Just like private persons, if you spend to much you get into trouble.


Any economic system that operated outside this stupid model. Lincoln Greenbacks for example. In fact ANY money that wasnt interest bearing and was regulated by sane people made economies to flourish. Yes we can have an economy to temporarily flourish under a ruthless central bank like the FED, but its a time bomb, and anyone with a fair understanding on money creation process knows that. See for example what they are doing now, as we speak, QE all around. Everyone knows that this is only temporarily retarding the inevitable. The system doesnt hold water in the long run. They can at anytime announce that the system is broke and all that bla bla bla, but they are choosing not to atm, they are going with QE up until only "god" knows...

I agree that if we have a corrupt congress and ignorant and economically illiterate populace, there will be always reckless practices like the FED's. But remember, in today's world, the people can press the congress to be auditted if they are politically active enough, and that is not true for the FED, unless they wanna put out a revolution. I believe an audit will come out soon though, this crisis is way too serious now, its out of control. Various members of congress, especially Ron Paul are trying to pass an auditing legislation.



So we have your agreement that the FED is audited and organized in a non-conspiracy way- or at least we take it that way since you changed subjects, LOL

Nope, the FED is a holding of private banks, the same criminal banks that crashed wallstreet, Greece, the EU and now broke your country via the derivatives fraud and other scandals (i.e. Goldman , JP Morgan and the likes) and this huge debt you can documented anywhere . All members of the board are either still members of the banks that compose the FED or simply swapped chairs from being like CEO's of one of the FED controlled banks for being head of the FED itself and or treasury. I simply shrug at you if you can't see anything wrong in here.

Tell me it is all a non-issue?
 
Of course, this makes perfect sense when one considers the dangers of bank runs. If the Fed published, "First National Bank on 3rd Street in Bumpkin, Kansas, needed a loan to avoid going under," what would people with money in that institution immediately do?

nonsense. There is no reason whatsoever for any insitution that was under the FED scope to be bankrupt in a way they could not see coming. If the system was more transparent in first place, any of the reckless and fraudulent practices would be avoided. It might make perfect sense to naive people , to be honest.

And plus, if you realize the FED is pouring liquidity into the institution you have your money into, you need not to be worried. There is no need for secrecy. Openness would rarely allow sudden bankrupcies like that.
 
nonsense. There is no reason whatsoever for any insitution that was under the FED scope to be bankrupt in a way they could not see coming. If the system was more transparent in first place, any of the reckless and fraudulent practices would be avoided. It might make perfect sense to naive people , to be honest.

And plus, if you realize the FED is pouring liquidity into the institution you have your money into, you need not to be worried. There is no need for secrecy. Openness would rarely allow sudden bankrupcies like that.

Yes, Americans are well known for calm, rational responsese to crises.

And the lack of transparency only kicks in when a bank is in trouble.

Additionally, I find this hilarious: "There is no reason whatsoever for any insitution that was under the FED scope to be bankrupt in a way they could not see coming."

Seriously, were you in a coma from 2007-2009?
 
Nope youre living in mars, im pretty sure, if you think the FED is ok and has ever been audited. Really, it is pathetic.
I really can't understand why you believe this. Here's a link.
The Government Accountability Office (GAO) has broad authority to review and audit Federal Reserve activities.1 The legislative limits on the GAO's access to the Federal Reserve System are very specific and stated in the law.2 The GAO conducts reviews and audits at the direction of the Congress and also under its own authority. These engagements cover a wide variety of Federal Reserve activities. As of March 31, 2009, there were 20 GAO engagements underway, 17 of which were initiated by Congress. During 2008, the GAO completed 15 similar engagements.

The Board of Governors orders an annual external audit of the financial statements of the Board and the Reserve Banks.3 The current independent auditor is Deloitte and Touche.4 Each Reserve Bank publishes its audited financial statements, and the Board of Governors publishes the audited combined Reserve Bank financial statements and the Board's financial statements in its annual report to Congress. The Reserve Banks and the Board comply voluntarily with the internal control requirements of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act. The external auditors also perform an evaluation of internal controls over financial reporting.

...
Consistent with the Inspector General Act, the Board of Governors' Office of Inspector General (OIG) conducts and supervises independent and objective audits, investigations, and other reviews of Board programs and operations to promote economy, efficiency, and effectiveness, and to prevent and detect fraud, waste, and abuse. The OIG's work spans the Board's mission areas. As of March 31, 2009, the OIG had initiated 12 audits and evaluations, 5 investigations, and numerous law and regulation reviews; responded to a number of hotline calls, emails, and correspondence; and followed up on open recommendations. During 2008, the OIG completed 15 audits, inspections, and evaluations; closed 9 investigations; and issued a strategic plan and compendium of open recommendations.

The OIG reports the results of its work on its public website and in its semiannual report to Congress.


Go to the Federal Reserve OIG site. Look at the AUDITS published there.

  • March 2011
  • Review of the Failure of Independent Bankers’ Bank (291 KB PDF)
  • Audit of the Board’s Transportation Subsidy Program (175 KB PDF)
  • Review of the Joint Implementation Plan for the Transfer of Office of Thrift Supervision Functions (5.62 MB PDF)
    February 2011
  • Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council Financial Statements and Independent Auditors' Report, December 31, 2010 and 2009 (121 KB PDF)
  • Board Financial Statements and Independent Auditors' Report, December 31, 2010 and 2009 (607 KB PDF)
    January 2011
  • Joint Response by the Inspectors General of the Department of the Treasury and the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System to a Request for Information Concerning the Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection (1.17 MB PDF)

Living on Mars? Hardly.
 
Yes, Americans are well known for calm, rational responsese to crises.

According to your addage, the people should be machiavelically lied to as to avoid bank runs? Hm that is telling....

And the lack of transparency only kicks in when a bank is in trouble.


Additionally, I find this hilarious: "There is no reason whatsoever for any insitution that was under the FED scope to be bankrupt in a way they could not see coming."

Seriously, were you in a coma from 2007-2009?

Nothing hilarious about what I said. In other hand, it is trully hilarious that the FED couldnt properly oversee these criminal institutions and their reckless practices. Nonetheless, they should transparently pour liquidity onto them, pay the raped investors and savers and liquidate them. Too big to fail is probably the silliest thing someone could ever come with.

When there is a crisis, then there is, you have to be honest about it, and if people will do a bank run, let em do it, that insitution failed and deserve trashing, simple as that brotha, free market for you.
 

ISF - Join now!

Every member here is approved by hand. No bots, no spam, just people who care about evidence and honest debate.

Membership is free!

Create your free account

Back
Top Bottom