Calling all Boxcutter Conspiracy Theorists

Edx said:
And yet you believe your CIT witness', that CIT refuse to release uncut footage from I might add, don't suffer from this when describing a NOC but do when saying it definitely hit the building? In other words you accept false memory syndrome when it suits YOU and ignore all other evidence.
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One witness suspect

two witnesses suspect

Thirteen witnesses all collaborating the same scenario - confirmed.
 
roscoe_the_first said:
Well I didn't see an aircraft and I certainly didn't see any bodies.

Oh by the way, did you know that records show that flight 77 never took off that day?
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You've been lied to. Yes, the "didn't take off" stupidity has been shown to be from an "arrival time" database. Flight 77 obviously never arrived at it's intended destination.

Given the fact that the debris from flight 77 and all the bodies were recoverd inside the pentagon, all the claims you parrot are either wrong or irrelevant.
 
roscoe_the_first said:
Thirteen witnesses all collaborating the same scenario - confirmed.
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Thirteen + witnesses all collaborating the same scenario + physical evidence= CIT is a joke.

(this is Aldo's list from PFFFT's website:

Claims they "Saw" impact of "plane"/large airliner-were in a position to possibly confirm one:
1. Deb Anlauf (CONTACTED by CIT, would not return call)
2. Donald Bouchoux (military consultant. CONTACTED by CIT, spoke with and left message with son, would not return call)
3. Mike Walter (had dinner with CIT)
4. Sean Boger (CONFIRMED the north side, impact deduced we believe)
5. Pam Bradley (unconfirmed account/witness)
6. Hugh "Tim" Timmerman (Dawn Vignola's roomate, unavailable for comment)
7. James R. Cissell
8. Daryl Donley
9. Bobby Eberle (came forward well after the event, Jeff Gannon's boss)
10. Penny Elgas
11. Mary Ann Owens
12. Scott Perry
13. Frank Probst (CONTACTED/INTERVIEWED by CIT)
14Noel Sepulveda, Navy Master Sgt. (claims plane lowered landing gear and hit light poles with landing gear)
15. G. T. Stanley (unconfirmed name/witness)
16. Steve Storti
17. Carla Thompson (unconfirmed name/witness)
18. Dave Winslow, AP Radio reporter (CONTACTED by CIT, did not return call)
19. Terrance Kean (Unreachable)
20. Dave Marra (dubious, questionable witness-claims plane cartwheeled into building)
21. Mark Petitt (VERY dubious account)
22. Aziz El Hallou (Debunked lying witness, proven to be at Navy Annex)
223. Robert A Leonard(driving northbound in the HOV lanes on I-395; Pentagon is on the left. The plane vanished, absorbed by the building, and there was a slight pause. Then a huge fireball rose into the sky.")
24. Mitch Mitchell, Ret. Army Col., CBS news correspondent (account is problematic)
25. Mike Dobbs (according to writer, not confirmed, not his own words)
26. Joe Harrington (seems like it made impact before Wedge-in South Parking lot)
27. Rick Renzi (corrupt congressman, listed as law student, has plane "dive bombing", very peculiar account)
28. Steve Anderson, USA Today Editor (saw impact from USA Today building)
29.Don Wright (a commuter plane, two-engined )
30.Don Chauncey (small commuter plane)
Steve Gerard (saw small corporate jet with no markings) (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT)
31. Lesley Kelly, Cmdr. U.S. Navy (Ret.) (near impossible to see the plane approach from DC)
32. James Robbins (a national-security analyst & NRO contributor for National Review, William F Buckley (CIA) publication saw silver flash, "diving in an unrecoverable angle")
Ken Ford (prop plane flying up river from National)
33.Christopher Munsey, Navy Times reporter
 
roscoe_the_first said:
One witness suspect

two witnesses suspect

Thirteen witnesses all collaborating the same scenario - confirmed.
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Since so many more say the plane hit and none say the plane flew over, what does that tell you? Or will you not apply your logic consistently?
 
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roscoe_the_first said:
Nobody saw the plane hit the Pentagon, they saw a plane go towards the Pentagon and then saw an explosion and then put two and two together and made six.

Perhaps you should look at the bit where the eyewitness describe how he saw "THE SECOND PLANE" flying away immediately after hearing the explosion.
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From what did the explosion came from?
Do you "accept" the pentagon-video as evidence, which shows, that "something" fly into pentagon. Are there any eyewitnesses, who saw the "someting"?
 
Childlike Empress said:
If you don't want to know the answer, don't waste peoples time.
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Yet you've wasted my time trying to defend CIT's refusal to take into account the entire body of witness testimony, rather than address the dubiousness of CIT's witness criteria. I'll re-emphasize, that for people so concerned about the collective body of evidence with the WTC you CIT folks sure are hellbent to use the most tenuous connections possible for the Pentagon. It's no wonder the mainstream truther cult abandoned CIT years ago.
 
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roscoe_the_first said:
They're not lying they genuinely think they saw the plane hit the building. Trouble is some of them couldn't have done because their vision towards the Pentagon was obstructed.

Lagasse for example couldn't see the Pentagon because of trees in the way.

But they are not lying when it comes to all of then seeing the plane approach from over the Navy Annex and to the north of the CITCO garage. If this is so then the plane could not have hit the five light poles and the Black box data is incorrect.
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I give you right, the eyewitness-accounts are clear. The policeman showed clearly north of the gas station. Come on guys here, you should accept these accounts as true.
 
bio said:
I give you right, the eyewitness-accounts are clear. The policeman showed clearly north of the gas station. Come on guys here, you should accept these accounts as true.
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Given that the debris of the entire plane and all passengers was recovered from inside the Pentagon, we know which statements are more accurate than others. The 13 cherry-picked and highly edited statements from CIT are wrong.
 
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roscoe_the_first said:
No line up the damage and the Capitol Building on an overhead map. Extending line southwest goes over ther bridge where Lloyd England's taxi was and to the south of Columbia Pike when it passes the Navy Annex. Pole no 1 went through the taxi window. The plane didn't take this route, therefore it was staged and Lloyd admitted as much on a camera he did not know was running.
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This is one of the silliest and funniest official claims because there is just a big hole in the windscreem. The rest of the car is clean / untouched. How many kilograms had such a pole?

Can you please give me a source for that official claim?
 
roscoe_the_first said:
The lack of response is entirely due to the fact that you have no argument.

You are now at the stage where you believe your own BS.
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Well, someone here apparently believes a large pile of feces anyway.:D


If you believe it, prove it. All scientific/logical data is on this side.

BTB, if you see Robin, tell him the new movie is really off track - he needs to get Alan (I assume he is still the publicist for the Sherwood Hoods) cracking on it!!!

Best, fuelair
 
 
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I would think that someone so committed to this outlandish theory would at least be able to spell CITGO.

Days to remove a murder victim's body - the mind reels.
 
roscoe_the_first said:
She wishes she'd seen it and quite possibly genuinely believes she did see it. False memory syndrome can play tricks on you.
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So why wouldn't exactly the same apply to CITs few witnesses they say support NOC???????????



What about Mr Morin who says he watched the the plane fly down and hit the build........something he could not possibly have done unless it was SOC

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Mr Morin was also in a perfect position to see a flyover....he saw none.

or how about the guys in the cemetery yard?.......even in CIT reconstruction there is no way they could have judged where the plane was versus the Citgo
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Dawn vignola also saw the plane and was in an excellent place to see flyover yet saw none........

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Or how about Steve Anderson, again in an excellent position to see a flyover......yet he see none

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Or Penny Elgas?

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In fact only one witness says he saw a flyover but when you look at his story he could no possibly have done so unless the plane was traveling far too slowly...............It would have been far to far away to have been described as "up" or "over the car park" Speed would have to have been about 150mph, slower than a 757 can except with full flaps ..........yet all witnesses describe a plane much faster than normal and "clean" ie with flaps retracted.

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Face up to it....CIT manipulated what witnesses they could to match their story and ignored the rest.....the fools even made the gross error of including Mr Morins testimony which is clearly SOC and no flyover.
How could you have missed these elementary problems with their fantasy?:rolleyes:
 
bio said:
This is one of the silliest and funniest official claims because there is just a big hole in the windscreem. The rest of the car is clean / untouched. How many kilograms had such a pole?
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Untrue. His seats were marked on the inside.
 
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