Calling all Boxcutter Conspiracy Theorists

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Incidently if you look at the top of this photograph you can see the Capitol Building (top slightly left of center). This is looking down the alleged path as promoted by the Official report. No poles are down. They clearly must have been taken down after the fact.

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roscoe_the_first said:
[qimg]http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/pictures/pl2.jpg[/qimg]

Incidently if you look at the top of this photograph you can see the Capitol Building (top slightly left of center). This is looking down the alleged path as promoted by the Official report. No poles are down. They clearly must have been taken down after the fact.
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No, this is only how it appears due to the oblique angle the shoot was taken. Compare this picture from the same photographer: The light poles you are talking about are right from the flight path of AA 77. In this helicopter shoot you can see exactly where the trees and the poles you are referring to are.
 
roscoe_the_first said:
The lamposts are still standing and the generator is still in its original position.
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I see some lamp posts that do not appear to have tops tto them, and I cannot see where the road way is, so the poles knocked off there bases may not even appear hereif they were still standing. And the generator looks to me as though it was moved, and it is on fire. It was photographed at close range, on fire, during the initial fire fighting operations. Your grade for the photo analysis part of this class is...wait for it...

FAIL

I have already examined one of your idiotic YT videos, the first one, the one claiming that the damage to the facade of the Pentagon was inconsist with the impact of a 757.

Let me preface my comments with my resume'. I am a retired Staff Sergeant, U.S.Army, Primary MOS 94B30 (Food Service Sergeant) Secondary MOS 51M30 (Fire Protection Sergeant.)

I also served in the U.S. Air Force in AFSC 57150, Fire Protection Specialist. In that capacity, I recieved some rather useful training in severall aspects of arson and aircraft incident investigations. To thje best of my knowledge, there is one person on this board with more training and experience than I in this capacity, and that would be Beachnut. NOT one of you twoofers.

The first good laugh I had at your video was at that popint at which the claim is made that the damage to the front of the building was not consistant with the impact of a 757. Bull flops. It is inconsistant with anything else. The image of a 757 with lines to impact points was also a good snicker. It shows the left wing parallel to the ground and the tail hitting directly above the point at which the nose entered the building. The fact that the wings of a 757 have a slight positive dihedral make thus utterly impossible.

The claim is further masde that certain columns which must have been destroyed to admit the aircraft into the building were blown out and up. It really only takes a room-temp IQW to see that these are actually floor slabs that have failed due to heat and are hanging more-or-less straight down.

As for aircraft debris, you need to go ask Jamie McIntyre to explain that. He saw lots of it right up next to the building. In any of the first photos, you can see all sorts of fluffy white stuff on the lawn close to the building.

It's insulation from inside the aircraft.

Go sell your snake oil elsewhere.
 
roscoe_the_first said:
[qimg]http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/pictures/pl2.jpg[/qimg]

Incidently if you look at the top of this photograph you can see the Capitol Building (top slightly left of center). This is looking down the alleged path as promoted by the Official report. No poles are down. They clearly must have been taken down after the fact.
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The aircraft, 100+ tons of it and all it's occupants were found inside the Pentagon as soon as fires cooled enough for investigators were able to go in and recover the debris.

The physical evidence makes your interpretation of some picture irrelevant.
 
progge said:
No, this is only how it appears due to the oblique angle the shoot was taken. Compare this picture from the same photographer: The light poles you are talking about are right from the flight path of AA 77. In this helicopter shoot you can see exactly where the trees and the poles you are referring to are.
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Light pole 1 is adjacant to Lloyd England's taxi and his taxi was on the bridge over Columbia Pike in the center of the coverleaf. That's right in line with the damage and the Capitol Building.
 
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roscoe_the_first said:
Light pole 1 is adjacant to Lloyd England's taxi and his taxi was on the bridge over Columbia Pike in the center of the coverleaf. That's right in line with the damage and the Capitol Building.
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And essentially the entire aircraft and literally all the passengers and crew were found inside the pentagon. They were found as soon as it was possible for anyone to enter that part of the building.

If your photograph conflicts with that, what you are looking at an irrelevant photograph.
 
leftysergeant said:
I see some lamp posts that do not appear to have tops tto them, and I cannot see where the road way is, so the poles knocked off there bases may not even appear hereif they were still standing. And the generator looks to me as though it was moved, and it is on fire. It was photographed at close range, on fire, during the initial fire fighting operations. Your grade for the photo analysis part of this class is...wait for it...

FAIL

I have already examined one of your idiotic YT videos, the first one, the one claiming that the damage to the facade of the Pentagon was inconsist with the impact of a 757.

Let me preface my comments with my resume'. I am a retired Staff Sergeant, U.S.Army, Primary MOS 94B30 (Food Service Sergeant) Secondary MOS 51M30 (Fire Protection Sergeant.)

I also served in the U.S. Air Force in AFSC 57150, Fire Protection Specialist. In that capacity, I recieved some rather useful training in severall aspects of arson and aircraft incident investigations. To thje best of my knowledge, there is one person on this board with more training and experience than I in this capacity, and that would be Beachnut. NOT one of you twoofers.

The first good laugh I had at your video was at that popint at which the claim is made that the damage to the front of the building was not consistant with the impact of a 757. Bull flops. It is inconsistant with anything else. The image of a 757 with lines to impact points was also a good snicker. It shows the left wing parallel to the ground and the tail hitting directly above the point at which the nose entered the building. The fact that the wings of a 757 have a slight positive dihedral make thus utterly impossible.

The claim is further masde that certain columns which must have been destroyed to admit the aircraft into the building were blown out and up. It really only takes a room-temp IQW to see that these are actually floor slabs that have failed due to heat and are hanging more-or-less straight down.

As for aircraft debris, you need to go ask Jamie McIntyre to explain that. He saw lots of it right up next to the building. In any of the first photos, you can see all sorts of fluffy white stuff on the lawn close to the building.

It's insulation from inside the aircraft.

Go sell your snake oil elsewhere.
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Here's the whole argument made Feb 2010

I don't have any more time for generalisations. Make a specific point and I'll respond. Name calling gets the cold shoulder.
 
BigAl said:
And essentially the entire aircraft and literally all the passengers and crew were found inside the pentagon. They were found as soon as it was possible for anyone to enter that part of the building.

If your photograph conflicts with that, what you are looking at an irrelevant photograph.
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But the official path is wrong and could not have caused the damage. Lloyd England, the taxi driver who had the pole through his window, needs to be subpoenaed and placed under oath. His testimony is highly suspect.
 
BigAl said:
Given the fact that essentially the entire aircraft and literally all the passengers and crew were found inside the Pentagon, everything in that video is irrelevant or wrong.
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So you've been told. You were also told that there were Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.
 
roscoe_the_first said:
yes and the day after he announced $2.3 trillion dollars unaccounted for the military budget came under review and was increased by Bush. Meanwhile all records of the missing money went up in smoke and has not been mentioned since..
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Oh really?

DoD financial experts, Zakheim said, are making good progress reconciling the department's "lost" expenditures, trimming them from a prior estimated total of $2.3 trillion to $700 billion. And, he added, the amount continues to drop.
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http://web.archive.org/web/20041119...nse.gov/news/Feb2002/n02202002_200202201.html
 
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roscoe_the_first said:
It is not the FBI's job to remove evidence. That job belongs to the NTSB.
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Oh really?

In cases of suspected criminal activity, other agencies may participate in the investigation. The Safety Board does not investigate criminal activity; in the past, once it has been established that a transportation tragedy is, in fact, a criminal act, the FBI becomes the lead federal investigative body, with the NTSB providing any requested support
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http://www.ntsb.gov/abt_ntsb/invest.htm
 
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roscoe_the_first said:
Dov Zakhiem? Wha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!

This is a man who would sell his mother and wait for change. He makes Jimmy Hoffa look like a Sunday school teacher.
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Why? I love how that website is religious, probably anti-semitic, nonsense "satanic Talmud" really...

And you admit you were wrong about it A: Never being talked about and B: Being missing.

Great!

Do you also accept that NTSB don't investigate crimes and that the FBI take the lead?
 
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roscoe_the_first said:
So the NTSB data is void then?
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They don't investigate crimes and the FBI take the lead on the investigation, it says it right there in their own words. It doesn't say they don't help at all.

What about that do you not understand?
 
Edx said:
They don't investigate crimes and the FBI take the lead on the investigation, it says it right there in their own words. It doesn't say they don't help at all.

What about that do you not understand?
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Who looked at the Black Box data? The FBI?

I would remind you that Sibel Edmonds worked for the FBI.
 
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roscoe_the_first said:
Who looked at the Black Box data? The FBI?
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The NTSB didn't investigate it, they provided data for the FBI to investigate.

Again, THEY SAY they don't investigate crimes, THEY SAY the FBI takes the lead. Are they lying?
 
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