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Buzz lightyear and the JREF Challenge

buzz lightyear said:
To date the only possible protocol for me to prove my claim would be to create a virtual reality type programme to allow another to " see " the world as I see it .
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The problem with this is that this is not an objective protocol. It is subjective; by its very nature, you're going to use overlays to highlight the patterns you see. But they're still the patterns /you/ perceive. If someone burns a piece of toast, I might not initially see anything. If that person says, "see -- it's Jesus! There's His head, and there's His hair!", then of course I'll see the image. That is what human beings are so exquisitely hard-coded to do -- to find patterns, ,and it's SO much easier when you have someone pointing them out to you. I highly, highly doubt that JREF would ever be receptive to this kind of application. They'll want a test that is not subject to any form of interpretation.

By bouncing these images off heavily critical people such as you I'm hoping to find the formula that works .
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So, in other words, you're trying to prove that human beings are pattern-seeky (my term). This isn't paranormal. It's an understood facet of the human mind. You can read about it in most psychological texts; Scott McCloud also covers it in his excellent book, "Understanding Comics".

Aboriginal mythology , like all mythology is multi layered .
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I don't understand what you mean by this. Either the mythology is metaphor, or it's literal (I suppose it can also combine some elements of both; don't want to create a false dichotomy here). Are you saying that Aboriginal mythology is a metaphor for understanding the greater interconnectedness of life -- a system so complex that it approaches life processes in its complexity -- and understanding that proper stewardship of that system is imperative? And that, through metaphor, the Aboriginies have create a system that helps them intuitively understand those processes even though they're not completely (in some cases, not even partially) understood by conventional science? Or are you saying that Aboriginal myths are literal and fossilized giant reptiles actually form the rocks of Australia?
 
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Jackalgirl said:
Are you saying that Aboriginal mythology is a metaphor for understanding the greater interconnectedness of life -- a system so complex that it approaches life processes in its complexity -- and understanding that proper stewardship of that system is imperative? And that, through metaphor, the Aboriginies have create a system that helps them intuitively understand those processes even though they're not completely (in some cases, not even partially) understood by conventional science? Or are you saying that Aboriginal myths are literal and fossilized giant reptiles actually form the rocks of Australia?
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No, I think what he's saying is: blahblah de blahblalbah blah.
 
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"Are you saying that Aboriginal mythology is a metaphor for understanding the greater interconnectedness of life -- a system so complex that it approaches life processes in its complexity -- and understanding that proper stewardship of that system is imperative? And that, through metaphor, the Aboriginies have create a system that helps them intuitively understand those processes even though they're not completely (in some cases, not even partially) understood by conventional science? Or are you saying that Aboriginal myths are literal and fossilized giant reptiles actually form the rocks of Australia ".

A beautiful piece of writing Jackalgirl . And correct in both counts .

What sort of protocol would you suggest ?

And Desertyeti , not igneous rocks .
 
buzz lightyear said:
A beautiful piece of writing Jackalgirl . And correct in both counts .
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Thank you kindly. Though I personally have no problem believing the first supposition of what I wrote (because I think that humans can actually be very good at intuiting pattern out of seeming chaos), I don't really believe the second. I will have to leave it to an actual geologist to get into the details of rock-forming processes and how, under certain conditions, rocks can form in very regular, orderly, startling patterns.

I believe in dinosaurs. There's certainly evidence of that. But I don't look at your photos and see giant lizards and snakes. I see rocks that have some distinctive scale-like formations but, as I said earlier, rocks can form into some very interesting patterns without the intervention of world-snakes. It's going to take more than photographs to convince me that there were giant, not-dinosaur-like reptiles forming the bones of the world.

What sort of protocol would you suggest ?
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I can't think of any protocol for the JREF Challenge for you, I'm afraid, because the only thing you've talked about so far is in regards to testing is not paranormal, IMHO. I think that you should check out psychology and neurology research, /especially/ in the field of pattern recognition (this is an especially hot topic in the computer fields, as I understand it). Your own protocol may already have been carried out by someone else; if not, I think that -- with a bit of additional knowledge of the field -- you might be able to provide some valuable insights into this amazing function of the human mind.

As for the world-snake idea...I really don't know how you'd go about proving that -- again, you'd need more than pictures. You'd need to research geology and rock pattern-forming so you can get an idea of the conditions under which these kinds of rocks form, and then figure out a way to control for that (i.e., to demonstrate that that's not what happened in the case of your specific Target Rock). Or you'd need to go see if you could lift up some of those rocks and, I don't know, find world-snake bones underneath. Photos alone won't do it.

Wish I could help, but it's out of my area of expertise. Again, check with a geologist for more information about determining the age & origin of rocks. If your hypothesis is correct, the data will support it. If it isn't, it won't.

Good luck!
 
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I don't understand why this thread is still going. Buzz wrote here:

buzz lightyear said:
Well Guys, it looks like this is the end of my Sci Fi writing career .
My girlfriend reckons that I have been giving this exercise more attention than her , so it looks like I will have to pull the pin .

Sad though , I had so many more great concepts to introduce, from chanting in the great pyramid and Alister Crowley and the Book of the Law , Michael Harner and reptillian shape shifters , Rupert Sheldrake and morphic resonance . Even thought of throwing in some Rudolph Steiner and biodynamic farming ........................ Sigh !

Anyway it's been great working with you people . Its amazing the amount of energy that can be releasd with an equal and opposite reaction .

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what looks to me very much like an admission that he is making this whole thing up. And yet several pages later he is still being queried on this as if it was a legitimate claim, and Gzuz is taking his announced exit from the
forum as if a true claimant had admitted defeat.

This guy was playing about, and still is, and I think we should welcome him as a new forum member with an odd sense of humour, and a quirky writing style. The passage in particular where he described his journey into the meditation was very telling to me - as a writer - and reads as fiction. I suspect we have a non-woo, writer, sci-fi fan in our midst who wanted to introduce himself in a very visible manner.

Why is he still being treated as a 'woo'?
 
chillzero said:
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what looks to me very much like an admission that he is making this whole thing up. And yet several pages later he is still being queried on this as if it was a legitimate claim, and Gzuz is taking his announced exit from the
forum as if a true claimant had admitted defeat.
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Please define "true claimant", chillzero.

The nature of forum requires me to take people by their word. I am willing to be guided and educated by explanations. If those lack, I go by the most probable and reasonable assumption and take it from there.

And if someone starts his forum career by badmouthing the JREF Challenge and not giving a satisfactory explanation, even if repeatedly asked, I also take it from there.
 
Sorry chillzero , but good old Gzuz is on the money . I'm what you might call , " hard core woo " .
The scfi writer and looney tune thing are a bit like insurance .
If Randi ever sent his goons after me , the crowd would boo him for picking on a " retard " or laugh at him for going after a sci fi writer .

And what am I doing here ? Im after the " mill ".
I have my eye on a cute little DeHavaland Beaver seaplane and would have enough change out of the "mill " for a fair amount of fuel .
The Beaver is the perfect rig for hunting dragons . The harmonics produced by its radial motor match the vibrations produced by the creature in flight . Tracking them is a simple matter of listening to the resonance .

And Jackalgirl , your description of the formations being "fossilised" is incorrect . The formations are the created by a combination of the actual skins of the creature and its waste . The skins are soft pliable silicon when discarded and harden into a fine crystalised matrix .
These deposits are hundreds of meters thick in places .
Have discussed these formations with a retired professor of geology , who has an interest in these formations , and he has no idea how they formed .
There are no fossils in the deposits to date them but the coal measures below them have given a C14 dating of 50,000 BP.

And Athiest , since you are a whiz with graphics , see what you can do with this pic .
It seems the creature was a budding sculptor . In this formation it created a profile image of the lefthand side of its head . It is designed to be read by sonar as a dolphin would do , so to make it comprehendable to an eye ,
........; rotate it 90 deg clockwise and turn it into the negative image .
Probably better done in black and white .

 
GzuzKryzt said:
Please define "true claimant", chillzero.
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Someone who had actually submitted an accepted claim to the MDC.

GzuzKryzt said:
The nature of forum requires me to take people by their word. I am willing to be guided and educated by explanations. If those lack, I go by the most probable and reasonable assumption and take it from there.

And if someone starts his forum career by badmouthing the JREF Challenge and not giving a satisfactory explanation, even if repeatedly asked, I also take it from there.
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I had some other thoughts about taking people at their word, based on the words I already highlighted, but I see that Buzz Lightyear has already said that he means what he says. Therefore my confusion on the matter is cleared up - as to why the thread is still going, although I am still confused about that particular post. Why say something along the lines of (how it reads to me): "Ok guys, I was messing about with an idea for a story and made this whole thing up, but you got me, so I'll stop now" and then revert to "but I can actually cross the space/time continuum in this amazing trance state". etc.?

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In short - never mind.... carry on. :o
 
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yeah Gzuz , I know #000000000000000047
 
Google earth doesnt tell it all , Paul .
You need to look for yourself .


YEAH , YEAH GZUZ #00000000000000000*$}{??/
 
So now some fenestral weathering (yeah, that's what us geologists call it) on a sandstone cliff is supposed to be a giant lizard (a teiid specifically) head?
Ai yai yai.
This is just sad.
 
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