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Buzz lightyear and the JREF Challenge

buzz lightyear said:
Do you think this is the reason that coal, which is supposed to be millions of years old ,has detectable amounts C14 . Or ,could it be that these deposits are not as old as we think .
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No, Buzz, I can't explain it. But someone can: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/c14.html

10-second search on Google. This theory may or may not be correct. However, if I had to bet between it and your bizarre lizard-skin delusions, Master Occam would prompt me to side with the theory given in the link.
 
Good old Gzuz created and named this thread , Jackalgirl . Not me .

And if suitable protocols and agreements were in place ,I would participate in Mr Randi's challenge .

As for the contents of the King James Bible :
Like all ancient texts ,it has been translated and modified over the centuries according to the whim of the translator .
If you look deep enough , glimmers of ancient truths can be found .
The same applys to most mythology .

And where would we be without the first of the " club " members , Paul .
 
Jackalgirl said:
The title of this thread is "Buzz lightyear and the JREF Challenge". Buzz, were you planning, at some point, to apply for the JREF Challenge? Do you have a protocol set in place?
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Have you read the first page, Jackalgirl?
 
Did you read the full C14 article , Big Al ?
The word that appears most often is " hypothesis " .
Radioactive decay and bacteria oxidation are the two suggested explanations . But the bacteria seems to be discounted as exposure to air would be required . So the radioactive decay is the most likely ( hypothesis ) in that article . The other hypothesis that seems to be circulating is that the deposits are actually 50,000 years old .

That is the interesting part of science , the word " hypothesis " is used .
This is because most people involved in research know that what is believed to be fact today can very easily become disproved tomorrow .

The field of Quantum Physics is doing this at the moment .

Sorry , these guys are a bunch of wankers , aren't they ? They have been ridiculous enough to suggest the possibility of parallel dimensions .
 
buzz lightyear said:
The word that appears most often is " hypothesis "
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Actually, the word that appears most often is the followed by of, in, and, to & a. Hypothesis only appears 4 times, the same as neutrinos and radiometric, but less than thermococcus or uranium.


The other hypothesis that seems to be circulating is that the deposits are actually 50,000 years old .
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In the article it acknowledges the apparent result and says "The presence of 14C in coal therefore is an anomaly that requires explanation." The piece, which you claim to have read, is about current thought on the reasons for this.


That is the interesting part of science
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Surely you're not going to claim an interest in science now.


the word " hypothesis " is used .
This is because most people involved in research know that what is believed to be fact today can very easily become disproved tomorrow .
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Didn't think you were interested in science. That's not why hypothesis is used, a little basic reading would be a good start.


Quantum Physics
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Is there a variation of Godwin for this?


Sorry , these guys are a bunch of wankers , aren't they ?
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Any particular group you want to insult?


They have been ridiculous enough to suggest the possibility of parallel dimensions .
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Are they scientists who have suggested an interesting theoretical possibility, or are they saying "Look at me, I've got rock, there must be parallel dimensions so there."?
 
GzuzKryzt said:
Have you read the first page, Jackalgirl?
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Once, long ago, don't remember it. Sorry. I guess I just jumped into the idea that there might conceivably be some actual brainwork going on here (or might have been at some time). I appear to have been mistaken! ; )

ETA: Just went and checked it out. Mea culpa! Yet another "my skin is so thin I can't bear the idea of proving skeptics wrong and taking their money" + "the JREF Challenge isn't real, even though I have no evidence to back up this claim" set of claims. Followed by a rapid hand-waving tactic of "look at my extremely outrageous non-understanding of basic physics, geology and science in general! With pictures!" to get everyone off of the topic of Buzz's excuses for not applying for the Challenge. My bad!
 
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buzz lightyear said:
And if suitable protocols and agreements were in place ,I would participate in Mr Randi's challenge .
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Could you please describe what protocols would satisfy you insofar as accepting the Challenge?

As for the contents of the King James Bible :
Like all ancient texts ,it has been translated and modified over the centuries according to the whim of the translator .
If you look deep enough , glimmers of ancient truths can be found .
The same applys to most mythology .
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But not the mythology of Australian Aboriginies, which is literally true?
 
buzz lightyear said:
Well , Well ,Well , what does a true skeptic do when confronted with something he can't explain ........... he does as most yanks will do , he "cuts and runs " . Weak bastards .

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_1432345c6406c09041.jpg[/qimg]

Ever seen one of these in your travels ?
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Yes, I have seen plenty of emu tracks.
But I have never seen a plaster cast of one before.

ps. Reminds me of a big fright I got one night camping alone way up north west oz.
Heard strange noises during the night but managed to ignore them.
In the morning was exiting the tent on hands and knees and was confronted by huge three toed prints in the sand.
Totally freaked, packed up real quick, and headed off at top speed on the mighty Kwaka.
Was about 50 klicks down the road before my frazzled mind alighted on the probability that they were emu tracks.
 
So Ping Jockey , you are red hot on the geology scene , hey !
How about you give me your ideas as to the creation of the formation in this pic .



Also do you represent the JREF in discussing protocols?

And Paul , good post , thanks .

Plaster cast , hey Flange ............ever been to Uluru ?
 
Here is a protocol for you Buzzo.

Normally one would test oneself first a few times to convince oneself, before applying for the challenge.
And this is a handy, because much less controls are needed for your initial tests
- after all you will know if you cheat yourself !

Procure 10 cards marked 1 to 10.
You might use a pack of cards for this, or just cut out peices of paper.
The details of what they are and how they are marked are irrelevant, as long as you are sure that you can read them when OOB.

Shuffle them, and lay them out, face up in a row on top of your wardrobe.
If you don't have a suitable wardrobe, you may have to prepare a suitable surface - something above normal viewing height, but visible when floating around OOB - I am sure you get the idea. Perhaps some shelving might do the trick.

The next time you OOB, look at the cards and note their order.
Record this whenever and however you like.

Sometime later, compare the noted order with the real order.
Score yourself strictly - 10 out of 10 is a hit and anything else is a miss.
Do NOT look for any other 'patterns', eg, off-by-one, reverse-order, etc, etc.

Repeat this test a few times.


ps, I predict you will now post reasons why you will not perfom this self-test.
 
Also do you represent the JREF in discussing protocols?
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Nope, I don't represent the JREF at all. I just like designing them. It's always a lot of fun trying to figure out ways to control for alternate explanations. For actual representation, that's Jeff Wagg. However, he won't discuss a protocol with you (as far as I know) until you send in a properly filled-out and notarized application.

That's one of the values of this forum; you can come and discuss possible protocols, tightening up the protocol you'll present to JREF. Ultimately, of course, the final protocol will be a negotiation between you and JREF.

buzz lightyear said:
So Ping Jockey , you are red hot on the geology scene , hey !
How about you give me your ideas as to the creation of the formation in this pic .
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I'm not a geologist. I do know that geology -- especially in the area of crystalline structure formation in rocks -- is a wonderously complex arena. I went to the Smithsonian (Natural History) in Washington year before last and they have a crystals exhibit that is mind-blowing. It explains the various crystalline lattices formed and the variables that control their formation. It's way beyond me.

I imagine that I could do a little research, however, and find examples of all of this. In fact, I could probably do a little easy Internet access and find examples of rocks whose structures form, under the right conditions, into exactly the patterns of the pictures you've been showing. However, you won't believe or accept it, because you /believe/ that it was formed by fossilized reptile skin. I've noticed that you've done that with other people's refutations, also.

So I'm not going to bother, especially since even trying to will get us away from the original point of my actually conversing with you (which is, as I am beginning to suspect from reading through your other messages, the whole point).

Instead, I'll get back to my original question, which you have not answered: "could you please describe what protocols would satisfy you insofar as accepting the Challenge?"

I'll also note that you didn't answer my other question, which was: "but not the mythology of Australian Aboriginies, which is literally true?" The second question requires a simple yes or no answer, instead of more pictures of rocks that form regular patterns.

BTW, as an ASIDE (something I encourage you to think about, AFTER you have answered my two questions): human beings are perfectly suited to pattern-seeking. That is, we find meaning and pattern in apparent chaos. We're truly gifted at it. You showed me a picture earlier and I thought it looked like squid tracks. You said, "More lizzard than squid..." But that's YOUR interpretation -- YOUR pattern found. I honestly saw squid tracks. This is a perfect example why simply showing pictures of something like this isn't proof. The human being is /instinctively programmed/ to find patterns (but we regularly see different patterns from one another). That is why you are being so roundly mocked by myself and others on this forum -- because we keep telling you this and you /just aren't getting it/.
 
Its not hard to get a little punch drunk in this forum ,Jackal girl .
So working out who is taking the piss out of you and who isnt is a bit hard .
But your last post had an air of sincerity ,......... most welcome .

To date the only possible protocol for me to prove my claim would be to create a virtual reality type programme to allow another to " see " the world as I see it .
I have experimented with various photoshop effects on the images that I have shown you . With varying degrees of success .
This is why I have used these photos on this thread . Your reaction of " squid tracks " was what I had hoped for . Flange Desire's comment of " emu track ' was also hartening . I am looking for aspects which register as recognisable features .
By bouncing these images off heavily critical people such as you I'm hoping to find the formula that works . But, from my progress so far, I am a long way from anything useful .

Aboriginal mythology , like all mythology is multi layered . It has aspects of history , cultural laws , survival tools , humor and is a bonding tool for a people who relied heavily on one another .
It was developed over thousands of years of intimate contact with this land . If anyone knows this place they do .

I was raised in a white western household , believing the "boongs" were ignorant savages .
In the last ten years I have walked in their footsteps , trecked to their sacred sites and researched their culture . And the more I do the closer I come to understanding this land .

I am still a white westerner , but my attitude to these ancient people has dramatically changed .
I can see why they believe that earth is sacred and the source of their existance . A living entity .
 
Paul said:
Please, don't encourage him to make up more rubbish.

If he was a decent troll he would at least be internally consistent; anyone who was going to include lizard overlords in their fantasy should have at least heard of David Icke.
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Oh, Icke, one of my favorites!
People alerted me to Icke's misuse of my case (McMartin) in some of his writings. Just what we need. He gets the information from...gunderson...gee, who would have thought?
So at the insistence of a friend (who also turned out to be a kook) I go to one of his talks (the one in Pasadena). I liked what he had to say about the war, but then in the 2nd half he goes into detail about how people transform into reptiles in public, UFOs and other such crappola.
Besides being amazed at the number of people supporting him, I get to go into the back room to speak to him. There was a line of people waiting to see him so I felt pretty special.
I go in there and sit on the couch with him and listen for quite a while to his family and close associates talk about their stuff.
Hallucinogenic drug scores, plans to come back and do it all bigger (which by the way flopped), what an experience. I do get the chance to tell him what I came to say. Probably another waste of my time.
Is he still doing his thing?
Do masses of people still listen to his UFOs/reptilian royal family/satanist theory?
 
jacque said:
Is he still doing his thing?
Do masses of people still listen to his UFOs/reptilian royal family/satanist theory?
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Check out his website and the trailer for the Brandon Corey Story for all new reptilians control the world, which apparently isn't real, fun.
 
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