Bumper sticker. . .(shudder)

Just to pick up on this.
Huntster said:
Do you deny the Siberian/Alaskan land bridge appearing and disappearing?
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No I don't. I even know why. Do you? (Hint: It has nothing to do with 40 days and nights of rain.)

I would dearly love to see you defend the accuracy of the Biblical flood story. Please?
 
Tricky said:

Yeah, we do tend to run on. But I have a clever plan to cut down the size of our responses. I’m going to cut out anything that refers to evidence and faith. It is obvious that we don’t define these things the same way, so we’re not going to make any headway.
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Um, yeah, so that didn’t help. Just thought I’d point that out to you two windbags. :D
 
I got a million bumper sticker ideas.
What do you think of this one...
"JESUS hope for the hopeless"
 
kurious_kathy said:
I got a million bumper sticker ideas.
What do you think of this one...
"JESUS hope for the hopeless"
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It'll look great next to the "BUDDHA: hope for the hopeless" "ALLAH: hope for the hopeless" "DIANETICS: hope for the hopeless" and "OPRAH: hope for the hopeless" stickers.
 
Tricky said:
Just to pick up on this.

Originally Posted by Huntster
Do you deny the Siberian/Alaskan land bridge appearing and disappearing?
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No I don't. I even know why. Do you? (Hint: It has nothing to do with 40 days and nights of rain.)
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No, I don't know why. Some scientists today are pounding on the "global warming/cooling" thing, but they can't seem to confirm why the warming/cooling cycle comes and goes.

Biblical authors claimed it was 40 days and 40 nights of rain. Obviously, that can't be confirmed, either.

Nor can Beringa appearing/disappearing be chronologically coincided with Biblical accounts.

Nor can great flood legends from other ancient histories be tied to Beringa and current science "flood theories."

But they all say they've happened, including your beloved scientists.

I would dearly love to see you defend the accuracy of the Biblical flood story. Please?Just to pick up on this.
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I can't.

Nor can you defend the global warming/flood prophesies coming from science today.

You're in the same ark as I am, Mr. Scientist.
 
Huntster
Tricky
At least theories are based on evidence. Your statements about God and how He relates to the physical are based on none.
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Correct. They are based on the spiritual theory and revelation of theologians, and are considered in faith, because there is little physical evidence, being a non-physical phenomenon.
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What spiritual theory. You can’t offer evidence. You can’t agree on the basic definition of ‘spiritual’. You are ignorant of the meaning of theory (or just stupidly misusing it). You repeat that there is little physical evidence, yet you can’t even produce it. You can’t agree on what constitutes the ‘little physical evidence’. You then declare it non-physical, which negates the whole physical evidence bit.

It comes out to you’re Christian because it is what you were taught while young and it makes you feel special.


Tricky
Nope. Still doesn’t work. The way your God is described, nothing is inevitable if He doesn’t want it to happen. He makes the rules.
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He made the rules, and the universe is bound by them unless He chooses to transcend them.
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It’s amusing watching you try and debate Tricky. You support his points so nicely.


Your major premise: God created everything.

God created Lucifer, and Lucifer created evil, through his own free will.
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God knew Lucifer would create evil and did nothing to stop it. God could have not created Lucifer. God could have created a Lucifer that would not have created evil. God could have smacked Lucifer down and removed evil. God could have

ID = Ignorance Deified

Ossai
 
Ossai said:
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Tricky
At least theories are based on evidence. Your statements about God and how He relates to the physical are based on none.

Correct. They are based on the spiritual theory and revelation of theologians, and are considered in faith, because there is little physical evidence, being a non-physical phenomenon.
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What spiritual theory. You can’t offer evidence. You can’t agree on the basic definition of ‘spiritual’. You are ignorant of the meaning of theory (or just stupidly misusing it). You repeat that there is little physical evidence, yet you can’t even produce it. You can’t agree on what constitutes the ‘little physical evidence’. You then declare it non-physical, which negates the whole physical evidence bit.[/quote]

I could offer several answers to those questions which lack question marks, but I'll refrain. It would be useless. You aren't interested in constructive debate or understanding.

It comes out to you’re Christian because it is what you were taught while young and it makes you feel special.
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That is a claim. I could ask you for your so beloved evidence, but that, too, would be a useless endeavor.

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Tricky
Nope. Still doesn’t work. The way your God is described, nothing is inevitable if He doesn’t want it to happen. He makes the rules.
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He made the rules, and the universe is bound by them unless He chooses to transcend them.
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It’s amusing watching you try and debate Tricky. You support his points so nicely.
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He isn't making points. He's trying to maneuver into a position of destroying what he thinks are critical theological pinacles which don't necessarily mean anything to me, and even failing to do that. You're so narrowly focused yourself, you couldn't see that to save your life.

Remain amused. At least you think you're getting something out of it.

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Your major premise: God created everything.

God created Lucifer, and Lucifer created evil, through his own free will.
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God knew Lucifer would create evil and did nothing to stop it. God could have not created Lucifer. God could have created a Lucifer that would not have created evil. God could have smacked Lucifer down and removed evil. God could have
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By doing any or all of the above, God would then have violated the principle of free will, thereby also influencing love along with evil. Love, like evil, requires free will.
 
Tricky said:
He borrowed it from an old bumper sticker that used to be around.

"The Moral Majority is neither"

Not that there's anything wrong with borrowing and revising, but nominees should at least do their own writing.
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Actually, I was borrowing it from the MM bumper sticker for the very reason that it can be used again, against the same social group. I was imagining a veteran Moral Majority IDer seeing that sticker and saying, "Oh no, not again." Guess I should have explained myself.

Anyway, "ID is N/A" seems concise and, uh, applicable. Heh.
 
Theological doctrines:

1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6

2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48

3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2

4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16

5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28

6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8

7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12

8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19

9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14

10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12

11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13

12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17

13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28

14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33

15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8

16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5

17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12

18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice
Deut 12:30,31

19. God tempts men
Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man
James 1:13

20. God cannot lie
Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9

21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
Gen 8:21

22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered
Job 11:7/ Is 40:28

23. There is but one God
Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods
Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7
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Paul

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nonbeliever said:
Actually, I was borrowing it from the MM bumper sticker for the very reason that it can be used again, against the same social group. I was imagining a veteran Moral Majority IDer seeing that sticker and saying, "Oh no, not again." Guess I should have explained myself.

Anyway, "ID is N/A" seems concise and, uh, applicable. Heh.
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Oh I agree, no doubt. I tell lots of jokes that I have borrowed and changed slightly. My only point is that my eclectic talents aren't really "language award" worthy. Or yours. Still, very clever.:thumbsup:
 
Paulhoff, a few things;

Context ( you dont give it)

Historical record (the Bible is one)

Prophecy ( the Bible is Prophetic)

Most of all. ACCURACY!!! You give us your words, your perception
and then give Chapter and Verse from The Holy Bible!
Dost thou blaspheme?!
Or upon opening the Book will we find the same words
that you have used in post 1477 of this thread.
I think not.
So you , Paulhoff, a selfprofessed science type guy
are indeed guilty of deliberatly misquoting a source.
And in friendly debate in the forum of an educational
website frequented by young and old alike.
How desperate are you that you would sink so low?
How quickly you abandon the tenets of your ...uhhh
surety!
Mr. Paulhoff rather than screen your every word for deceit
I find myself inclined to just know you as being of dubious
integrity.

Your friend ,
Canadian Malcontent
 
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