Bumper sticker. . .(shudder)

Paulhoff said:
So what was he, elevated after falling, can't god once again, do anything right. Just one thing wrong after another.

Paul

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Time to get rid of that lesser god.
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Elevated to what?

Your posts are seriously suggesting to me you like to take drive-bys on certain subjects just because you don't agree with the viewpoint being shared.

Its hard to argue with people that call something BS, but don't back it up.
 
Religion does not back up anything, but I have to, I know not.

Paul

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So you just believe, you don't need the truth, or need to try and find the truth, so when they say that Jesus is the son of a god, that is alright with you. What to buy a bridge.

Paul

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Azure said:
Yes...even the belief in a made-up religion like Scientology is based on faith.
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All religions are made-up. (Sorry, but I once said the same thing, and that was the answer I got. And it did make me think hard about that, and conclude I had used an oxymoron.)
 
Azure said:
Yes...even the belief in a made-up religion like Scientology is based on faith.
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Scientology has an advantage over Christianity. It is falsifiable. Unfortunately for them, it has been falsified.

So...if faith is all you have...and faith can make you believe anything...what makes Christianity so special? How can the faithful have any kind of certainty?
 
KingMerv00 said:
Scientology has an advantage over Christianity. It is falsifiable. Unfortunately for them, it has been falsified.

So...if faith is all you have...and faith can make you believe anything...what makes Christianity so special? How can the faithful have any kind of certainty?
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I really have no idea. Christianity for me(I'm not a Christian, I just believe in God) because that was dominate religion in my area.

I grew up that way, and still struggle to this day when people try to tell me that Christianity is the only true religion. Hell, Zoroastrianism was around 'before' Christianity. Why isn't it the only true religion?
 
Azure said:
I grew up that way, and still struggle to this day when people try to tell me that Christianity is the only true religion. Hell, Zoroastrianism was around 'before' Christianity. Why isn't it the only true religion?
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Lack of advertising. :D
 
Paulhoff said:
Which god do you believe in.

Paul

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I'm not going to answer that....since I don't believe in a specific God, rather just a supernatural force that controls the universe.

I just grew up in a Christian home, so the Christian "God" was pounded into my head for many years.
 
After reading many of the posters here, I am fervently thankful that I grew up in a vaguely practicing Hindu household (think of it like a Christian who only goes to church on Easter and Christmas). My parents keeping their beliefs to themselves means that I never went through the guilt, shame, dread and horror related to so many religions. One could also say that I have never experienced the ecstasy of religious worship. But I think I'm glad to have given it a miss to balance missing the yucky parts.

I am a theist, but don't think that any revealed book has gotten it right. I have no proof of a divine spirit. I don't care what you believe or don't believe in as long as you leave me alone and don't require me to kowtow to ridiculous pronouncements made by your god.
 
Azure said:
I'm not going to answer that....since I don't believe in a specific God, rather just a supernatural force that controls the universe.
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What do you believe God does with the universe? Does it hold atoms and solar systems together? Does it make the sun shine, the rain fall and the grass grow? Does it make Jesus' face appear on shrimps and frying pans and whatnot? Does it answer prayers?
 
Palimpsest said:
What do you believe God does with the universe? Does it hold atoms and solar systems together? Does it make the sun shine, the rain fall and the grass grow? Does it make Jesus' face appear on shrimps and frying pans and whatnot? Does it answer prayers?
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Sure, if you want to generalize it.

I believe in science, yes, but I also believe there HAS to be a supernatural force holding everything together.
 
Azure said:
Sure, if you want to generalize it.
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Hey, you're the one who's unwilling to be specific, not me.

I believe in science, yes, but I also believe there HAS to be a supernatural force holding everything together.
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Why? Gravity and condensation and so on aren't enough to explain why rain falls? Nuclear fusion isn't enough to explain why the sun shines? God couldn't set it up so that the universe runs by itself, he has to constantly intervene so things don't fall apart or run down or cease to exist?

Must be an interesting science you believe in. If (e.g.) God not only sees the little sparrow fall but also makes it fall, then how can you be sure the sparrow or lead ball will always fall at the same rate? How can you be sure any of the natural constants will remain constant tomorrow? Or is that more of this faith I hear so much about?
 
Azure said:
Faith is merely the cornerstone upon which your belief in God exists.
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If that is true (and I do not think that it is), what makes up the very large remainder of the edifice? After all, beliefs do not exist in isolation of one another. This also harks back to a comment I made earlier that you chose not to address: non-physical existence does not preclude concrete manifestation.


Azure said:
It has nothing to do with justifying through faith, which by definition, would be impossible. :D
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Yet you persist in attempting to achieve just that which you here assert to be impossible. I am confused.

'Luthon64
 
Yeah Gambit was cooler than Archangel, but still Archangel was just wicked and way more tormented than Gambit. But Gambit did have a thing for Rogue who is just an Uber Hottie... tho Psylock is far Hotter... mmmm
 
I'm way out of touch on the X-Men mythos but just recently ran into the storyline in the DC Superman world where Brainiac just got way too out of control. Friggin' time travel and reconstituting his massive intelligence on a cosmic scale. I didn't believe it at all. Brainiac-13, my butt, no way. Not in a million years could that happen (well, OK, maybe in an infinite iteration of all possible universes, I'll grant you that).
 
I'm still wavering on the whole God idea. I'll tell you why:
Consider our universe and the physical constants that govern the behaviour of matter and energy.

If any of those constants were different we would have a very different universe. Quite likely a universe in which life as we know it would not be possible.

OK so what? Maybe a different type of universe would have a different type of life. Maybe not.

All I know is that this universe out of all the possible ones, does have life (intelligent? I leave that for the reader to decide).

I am inclined to think that there may be some underling principle to the physical constants that lead to the emergence of life in general and intelligent life in particular.

So why should we have a universe (the only one we know of) which has such physical constants when there are literally an infinity of other possibilities?
I suppose this is a version of the anthropic principal. But I don't think it means that the universe was created specifically for humans. I think it means that a universe without life is meaningless. Of course that could just be my bias.

I don't believe in a God who answers prayers or performs miracles on a whim.
I don't believe in creationism or ID as the kids like to call it these days. I think trying to use the bible or any other religious text as cosmology is just too stupid for words.

I do believe that the fact I am here typing this gibberish proves something about the nature of our universe as opposed to the infinity of other possible universes. Just what it amounts to I'm not quite sure. Can I call it God, or is that just me trying to fill a gap in my knowledge?

Anyway an astronomer called Paul Davies has written a very good book on this subject called "The Mind Of God" I recommend it if you are interested.
 
“Infinity of other possibilities”

Well if there are also infinite universes, then there will be one that will have the right possibilities for our type of physical constants, so here we are, welcome home.

Paul

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