Bumper sticker. . .(shudder)

[Paulhoff]

As I said before, what is wrong with you god, can't it get anything right, you are the one with denial, and are trying to pass off something that you think you have done wrong. Time to get a better god.

Paul

 

[Azure]

No it's not. You don't have to be in church to get saved. I was at home when Jesus saved me and all I needed to do was realize everything we are told in scripture is truth and start agreeing with God, even when it hurts sometimes.

Seeing our sins on that cross isn't easy, but it is needed if one wants to be saved. Jesus died to save us, why argue about it?

Since when is it automatic to be saved when you believe Jesus is the Son of God?

You're preaching to a deaf crowd Kathy; you can't, and shouldn't be trying to save people online.

 

[kurious_kathy]

Since when is it automatic to be saved when you believe Jesus is the Son of God?

You're preaching to a deaf crowd Kathy; you can't, and shouldn't be trying to save people online.

First of all I can't save anyone, that's the Lords job. But when you say I shouldn't share my faith on line well that's just not possible. I share my faith with others everywhere I get the chance. Aren't we on the religion section of the JREF forum?

And second of all scripture tells us all who call on the name of the Lord shall be saved!

 

[Paulhoff]

Then explain why your bible talks of a flat earth, the sun and moon going around it. Your bible explains nothing and it takes no effort to believe in magical things. You just take the easy way out.

Paul

 

[Azure]

First of all I can't save anyone, that's the Lords job. But when you say I shouldn't share my faith on line well that's just not possible. I share my faith with others everywhere I get the chance. Aren't we on the religion section of the JREF forum?

And second of all scripture tells us all who call on the name of the Lord shall be saved!

You're trying to save people Kathy, believe it or not. Sharing your faith would be telling others you believe on the God, that he sent his son to die for your sins, and through him you will receive eternal life.

Thats where the "sharing your faith part" ends.

 

[Paulhoff]

There is that sin BS again. Making people think that they have done something wrong when all they are is human. Like making people think that a baby has sins of it's parents and must be saved. That being alive is a sin, needing food and water, is a sin, and all that is so-called physical is a sin. What is wrong with your god?

Paul

 

[Paulhoff]

By the way, which god are you talking about, you idea of god, kathy's, my mother's, which it is, I know you all don't agree on everything about this god.

Paul



How about the other 6,000,000,000 other people's idea on god, what makes you're right and their wrong, because you just know.

 

[kurious_kathy]

You're trying to save people Kathy, believe it or not. Sharing your faith would be telling others you believe on the God, that he sent his son to die for your sins, and through him you will receive eternal life.

Thats where the "sharing your faith part" ends.

Oh really? Well I never get tired of thinking or talking about God, what about you? He's everywhere and I am just blown away so many on this particular forum can't see that.

 

[Paulhoff]

Oh, it is a he, so you are sure of that, funny but many think it is a she, has in mother.

Paul

 

[Roadtoad]

Oh really? Well I never get tired of thinking or talking about God, what about you? He's everywhere and I am just blown away so many on this particular forum can't see that.

And what blows so many of us away on this Forum, Kathy, is that you have yet to ever answer one single straight question with one single straight answer. You are dishonest, you have lied to us. You don't discuss, which is what this board is for. You preach. Azure discusses.

Big difference, lady. I respect Azure, whether I agree with him (?) or not. He tries to give honest answers. He'll answer a direct question directly. I've never caught him in a lie. I honestly like him. I lost respect for you a very long time ago.

BTW: Blue and White Peterbilt 378. Rolled through your neck of the woods yesterday. That was me. Knowing you were there, couldn't wait to get out. If you offered an honest answer for anything, that could have been different. In the meantime, check out this latest embarassment. Sounds like the sort of thing you might go for.

 

[Azure]

Oh really? Well I never get tired of thinking or talking about God, what about you? He's everywhere and I am just blown away so many on this particular forum can't see that.

Well so 'many' on this forum demand physical evidence, something you can't provide.

You can't argue spiritual viewpoints forever without getting a backlash. You also can't say "God is everywhere" without citing proof, especially here at this place.

Go back through your posts Kathy, its obvious you're trying to preach.

 

[Anacoluthon64]

Oh really? Well I never get tired of thinking or talking about God, what about you?

Positively exhausted! But does it know of all the bad things you say about it?

He's everywhere and I am just blown away so many on this particular forum can't see that.

Yes, myopia isn't as pervasive an affliction as once it was, and is eminently treatable. Could it be that this has something to do with it?

'Luthon64

 

[slingblade]

Since when is it automatic to be saved when you believe Jesus is the Son of God?

John 3:16 is taken by some sects to mean that all one has to do is believe in (or as the verse says, "on") Christ, and one is saved from hell.

Now this is where I ran into trouble, even as a kid. I kept asking "What's to stop someone from believing in Christ, but continuing to sin?"

And that's when I'd get the answer I've discussed elsewhere: that when you're saved, you don't want to sin anymore. Hey, that's what they told me.

I was also being told at that time that rock was the devil's music, and if I was really saved, I wouldn't want to listen to it anymore. But I still did. (You can't have my Beatles!) There were other things I didn't want to give up, but was told were sinful, like reading fiction (fiction is all lies), and playing cards (the Devil's postcards). Since I still wanted to do them, I figured I wasn't ever really saved. I "answered the call" maybe nine or ten times before I finally gave up on that part.

Still listen to rock n' roll, still read fiction, still play a mean hand of poker.

 

[RandFan]

Oh really? Well I never get tired of thinking or talking about God, what about you? He's everywhere and I am just blown away so many on this particular forum can't see that.

The credulous believe what they condition themselves to believe. People believe so many things like homeopathy, voodoo, superstition, magic, different gods, etc. And they all have confidence, just like you.

Critical thinkers don't see god in cheese sandwiches and oil stains. We just see cheese sandwiches and oil stains.

 

[RandFan]

Positively exhausted! But does it know of all the bad things you say about it?


Yes, myopia isn't as pervasive an affliction as once it was, and is eminently treatable. Could it be that this has something to do with it?

Thank you.

Top of the class, in both atheism and good behavior, come the Japanese. Over eighty percent accept evolution and fewer than ten percent are certain that God exists. Despite its size – over a hundred million people – Japan is one of the least crime-prone countries in the world. It also has the lowest rates of teenage pregnancy of any developed nation.

 

[slingblade]

No it's not. You don't have to be in church to get saved.

Once again, you prove your lack of comprehension skills. Paulhoff said, verbatim: "And people who go to church believe that Jesus is the son of god."

He did not say people go to church to get saved. He did not use the word saved in that post.

What you have done is change his point slightly, which enables you to make a different point, and derail the discussion. This kind of tactic is called a fallacy. You have been here long enough to know that, yet you show with every post that you enjoy employing fallacies. This makes your arguments impossible to respect.

Your insisting on proslytising makes you impossible to respect.

Jesus died to save us, why argue about it?

We've asked you that time and again, yet you keep coming back to argue.

 

[Anacoluthon64]

Thank you.

My pleasure.

But let us exercise due caution here and neither equate correlation with causation nor immediately disallow the possibility that there is, in fact, a causative relationship.

'Luthon64

 

[Ossai]

Azure

Require? You do realize that according to the Bible, many people that saw Jesus preform those miracles, still did not believe he was God?

Which blows the whole, “god doesn’t reveal himself to us because that would remove freewill” argument right out of the water. So why did people in the past get evidence (miracles, etc), even if they didn’t believe it, while we get nothing?

Physical evidence doesn't exist for a lot of things.....does that mean you don't believe any of them?

Ahem, let me quote myself, again

The goal post needs to remain stationary. You still have to explain the lack of physical evidence including all the reported miracles.

I didn’t limit the type of evidence. What about written records, what about eyewitness accounts, what about others reporting some of the miracles – I think dead people getting out of their tombs and walking about would be reported by at least someone else (no I’m not referring to Jesus here but the Saints that left their tombs and wandered about).

Indeed there would.

Seems strange that they haven't found it yet.....

Very, seems as if it doesn’t exist and all those stories were made up based on a number of different urban legends and then later edited and combined.

Yes but you also said
Which squarely puts Jesus on the physical side of the equation.

The idea that he is also the Son of God, is then spiritual.

Never argued that. But Jesus being physical should have left tons of evidence in some fashion if he were indeed physical, regardless of the spiritual side of things.

Nice of you to call the belief of another person moronic.

OK, if you don’t like that then how about irrational, or delusional, or wishful thinking, or believing in myth or fairy tales? Ahem, I never claimed to be nice. Recall where I pointed out your hypocrisy, which you are even now compounding.


kurious_kathy no more spiritual masturbation, please. It’s shameful and rather revolting to see an adult act that way. Even a three year old usually knows better.

Ossai

 

[Darth Rotor]

Oh really? Well I never get tired of thinking or talking about God

We sort of noticed that, kathy. Your constant barrage of exhortations does not mean you are representing the Lord well. On this internet discussion board, you have

" . . . become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal “ (I Corinthians 13:1 is the ref)

I tend to agree that it is unwise to try to convert someone over the intenet. In my view, it is even worse form for a Christian to excoriate people, on an Internet board, who "don't get it." "How can you not get it" fumes Kathy, in frustration. Well, being nagged at hardly advances understanding, it tends to put people on the defensive, or into "fingers in ears mode." That doesn't open people to the Word, in my experience.

Shaking your finger at folks, literally or figuratively, lies in the realm of "pride" and "arrogance" and "hubris." It reflects poorly on you, and on your Faith.

The Word of God is not best spread by the braying of an ass. Meditate on that, will you please?

DR

 

[Azure]

John 3:16 is taken by some sects to mean that all one has to do is believe in (or as the verse says, "on") Christ, and one is saved from hell.

Now this is where I ran into trouble, even as a kid. I kept asking "What's to stop someone from believing in Christ, but continuing to sin?"

I still ask the question to this day.

Some say, "once saved, always saved" meaning EVEN if you still sin, you're still saved.

Strange indeed. I guess if it gives people the peace of mind that they're saved, despite their contiuous 'sinning' more power to them.

And that's when I'd get the answer I've discussed elsewhere: that when you're saved, you don't want to sin anymore. Hey, that's what they told me.

Indeed. I still can't figure out what they mean by 'saved.'

I was also being told at that time that rock was the devil's music, and if I was really saved, I wouldn't want to listen to it anymore. But I still did. (You can't have my Beatles!) There were other things I didn't want to give up, but was told were sinful, like reading fiction (fiction is all lies), and playing cards (the Devil's postcards). Since I still wanted to do them, I figured I wasn't ever really saved. I "answered the call" maybe nine or ten times before I finally gave up on that part.

How strange. I was told the same thing, and until "christian rock" came to the music scene, rock and roll was regarded as the Devil's music. Notice how many people don't say that anymore. Everything now rests in the lyrics, not the music.

Still listen to rock n' roll, still read fiction, still play a mean hand of poker.

Same here.