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Bumper sticker. . .(shudder)

Well, I see this more like the house setting the odds for gambling - and looking all rosy when they give the few winners a bottle of champagne.

May I ask what type of religious background you were raised in? I wonder if our completely divergent viewpoints can tie back to a difference in our parenting.
 
bluess said:
May I ask what type of religious background you were raised in? I wonder if our completely divergent viewpoints can tie back to a difference in our parenting.
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Both my parents are Catholic, though my father had/has a real skeptical/esoteric bent and I suspect he's been a practicing, and not a believing Catholic, his whole adult life as he stopped going to church once we all left the house. My mom is a devout Catholic.

My family has never really been into the Bible. Meaning my parents have a dozen of them but they've probably never opened them except to put prayer cards or leaves inside. :)

I've never resented my Catholic upbringing, unlike one of my brothers. In our case then, same religious background but different result. Even when I stopped being a Christian believer, I maintained a very healthy respect for Catholicim in particular, if not Christianity in general.

-Elliot
 
elliotfc said:
Both my parents are Catholic, though my father had/has a real skeptical/esoteric bent and I suspect he's been a practicing, and not a believing Catholic, his whole adult life as he stopped going to church once we all left the house. My mom is a devout Catholic.

My family has never really been into the Bible. Meaning my parents have a dozen of them but they've probably never opened them except to put prayer cards or leaves inside. :)

I've never resented my Catholic upbringing, unlike one of my brothers. In our case then, same religious background but different result. Even when I stopped being a Christian believer, I maintained a very healthy respect for Catholicim in particular, if not Christianity in general.

-Elliot
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Another theory shot down in flames!

Well, for some reason you and I are differently wired. The story that makes sense to you does not make sense to me. Oh, well.
 
bluess said:
Another theory shot down in flames!

Well, for some reason you and I are differently wired. The story that makes sense to you does not make sense to me. Oh, well.
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I think it's a combination of nature and nurture. I read the Skeptical Inquirer religiously as a kid while still going to church all the time. I think it's possible for disparate and even contradictory theories to make sense to a person.

I get the impression that lots of people here credit the success of religious thought to the weaknesses, fears, and deficiencies of people, as opposed to the *sense* that religion can offer.

If it's a matter of wiring, what matters with wiring is how successful it is in the operation of the machine. If we are wired differently, yet both operate well, at least that could take out some of the loaded language, or, negative classifications. If religious types were poorly wired, you'd think that by now selective pressures would have made us a rare breed, right?

-Elliot
 
elliotfc said:
I think it's a combination of nature and nurture. I read the Skeptical Inquirer religiously as a kid while still going to church all the time. I think it's possible for disparate and even contradictory theories to make sense to a person.

I get the impression that lots of people here credit the success of religious thought to the weaknesses, fears, and deficiencies of people, as opposed to the *sense* that religion can offer.

If it's a matter of wiring, what matters with wiring is how successful it is in the operation of the machine. If we are wired differently, yet both operate well, at least that could take out some of the loaded language, or, negative classifications. If religious types were poorly wired, you'd think that by now selective pressures would have made us a rare breed, right?

-Elliot
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Well, I'm an agnostic by thought, a theist by preference, but have always had great difficulty with most religions. If the answer to my first question - how are women regarded and treated - comes up bad, then PLBBT on the whole thing. From there I go on to the story itself. I just haven't seen one that doesn't set my ******** or giggle meter going.

I am married to a Christian, who prays every night and tries to act in accordance with his understanding of the words of Christ. I sincerely doubt that a truer, more trustworthy person exists.

I don't see most religious people as being weak-minded. (There are some notable exceptions writing on this board, however). I do think that my exploring a number of religions, myths and folktales early on led to my seeing that none of them had 'the way'. I've not seen one yet that would lead me to ignore its inconsistencies or sillinesses or downright horridnesses.
 
Personally I'm not a bumper sticker addict (I think putting a bumper sticker on your car is like telling the same joke five hundred times) but that doesn't mean I'm not capable of brilliant and witty ideas.

Once while driving through Akron, Ohio, I saw a billboard slogan that said GOD DOESN'T DOUBT YOUR EXISTENCE!

To which I would love to have added a billboard sticker saying NEITHER DOES FATHER CHRISTMAS!

Unfortunately I was only driving through, so Akron, Ohio, was deprived of my brilliant and witty response.
 
Here's one that I'd use on my car, but rarely explain:

"I'll wait and see"

Maybe a little Darwin fish with the word "Howdy" in it.
 
allanb said:
Personally I'm not a bumper sticker addict (I think putting a bumper sticker on your car is like telling the same joke five hundred times) but that doesn't mean I'm not capable of brilliant and witty ideas.

Once while driving through Akron, Ohio, I saw a billboard slogan that said GOD DOESN'T DOUBT YOUR EXISTENCE!

To which I would love to have added a billboard sticker saying NEITHER DOES FATHER CHRISTMAS!

Unfortunately I was only driving through, so Akron, Ohio, was deprived of my brilliant and witty response.
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Yeah, the white text on black background "God" signs were popular around there. Haven't seen any since moving to Chicagoland.
 
EnanMyHero said:
My latest one! "A sucker Born every minute, some of them twice when they're 'Born Again'"
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Here's another great bumper sticker idea,

"Not Born Right The First Time, We Must Be Born Again, John 3:3"

I rather like this one it really makes one think.
 
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Meffy said:
... for exceptionally small values of "think."
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I am a woman of few words it's true, but my mind is always thinking. The difference between you and I seems to be I choose to ponder things more relative to a persons spiritual needs!
 
My spiritual needs are satisfied by learning how the world really works.

My spiritual eyes are the same as my physical ones. They can see all the way to the Andromeda Galaxy without optical aid. With a telescope they can see halfway to eternity. My spiritual (and physical) ears, with the aid of a simple homemade radio-telescope, can hear ALL the way back to the Big Bang -- clear back to creation. The real, observationally confirmed creation.

That real world works pretty well, don't you think?
 
kurious_kathy said:
I am a woman of few words it's true, but my mind is always thinking. The difference between you and I seems to be I choose to ponder things more relative to a persons spiritual needs!
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If you would listen to what people are saying before all of this thinking you do, then maybe you would be able to ACTUALLY ANSWER A QUESTION instead of spouting an endless litany of irrelevant scripture and nutcase preacher book recommendations.

God is a liar. It says so in the bible. According to your criteria, that makes it an indisputable fact.
 
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Freethinker said:
God is a liar. It says so in the bible. According to your criteria, that makes it an indisputable fact.
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You are a liar, not God. Heck people are capable of many sins and lies so if you can even think that God can lie makes you someone who can believe a lie. It's much better to admit we are sinners in need of a Savior than to try to blame God for our own inadequecies!

I know and admit I'm a sinner in need of God's grace, why can't you?
 
Cleon said:
Not few enough.
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I know Cleon many of you wish I would just disappear. Hey maybe I will if World War 3 breaks out. The rapture is the next event we Christians believe will happen anytime.

"When Jesus Comes Back Will You Be Ready?" Hey that would make a great bumper sticker too! I think I should start my own sticker company, I got a million ideas and really do like bumper stickers.
 
kurious_kathy said:
I know Cleon many of you wish I would just disappear.
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On the contrary. I just wish your signal-to-noise ratio was a few magnitudes higher. Right now it's virtually homeopathic.

Hey maybe I will if World War 3 breaks out.
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I see you haven't been following the news lately.

"When Jesus Comes Back Will You Be Ready?" Hey that would make a great bumper sticker too!
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Already done, though with slightly different wording: "Jesus is coming! Look busy."
 
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