Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 2

[hecd2]

I still feel your analogy is meaningless given we are talking about a dense receiver array that will be cooled using an active cooling solution. My point in bring up the passive abilities of the chips was simply to demonstrate they are capable of dealing with megawatt power levels without melting. Active cooling solutions, such as jet impingement/micro-channel cooling, are capable of dealing with the heat build up. I never said BrLP planned on using a passive cooling solution.

Just eye-balling it, the diameter of the dome is closer to 15 cm rather than 25. You can get a good look at it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omUSfYuVT1c

BrLP plans on running it at 3000K for the first build outs.

OK let's run the numbers for 15cm diameter and 3000K. That results in a total power output of about 325kW, and assuming a surface area of 1m² for the PV array, we have an incident power density of 325kW/m² or about 230 times more than an array in the solar application. The maximum power density at the focus of a 1000 sun system is 325MW/m².

At 3000K (peak of the BB spectrum at about 966nm in the medium IR) only 26kW or about 8% is in the visible and so the top layer (biggest bandgap) of the multijunction cell will be generating very little energy. Across 400nm to 1100nm you have only 1/3 of the energy or about 110kW. The electrical efficiency will be below 40%, so this cell will produce about 30kW electrical power with a following wind and you'll have to deal with 300kW of waste heat by, what you now claim, would be active cooling. It makes no sense.

 

[michaelsuede]

I still have no questions for Mills in my inbox.

 

[halleyscomet]

I still have no questions for Mills in my inbox.

No, but quite a few have been posted in the thread.

How much did you invest in BLP?

How about you ask him what cooling system he's going to use to vent the 300kW of waste heat?

 

[hecd2]

Has anyone mentioned that the melting point of silicon is 1687 K?

Using the numbers Michael gave us (3000K and 15cm diameter dome), the equilibrium temp of the array with passive cooling would be about 1550K. But now he says there's active cooling which has to take away 300kW or enough to provide heating and hot water for five good sized houses. It's bonkers.

 

[Matthew Cline]

I don't know where Markie is getting his info from, but every presentation BrLP has ever given they've talked about doing PV.

The latest media packet from BrLP they gave me is the first time I've heard of them doing anything other than PV, ...

Why did they start with the PV design? Why not concentrate on first getting the reactor done, sell reactor for use in heating and powering steam engines, then use the profits from those sales to research how to do the PV version?

 

[jsfisher]

Water has been suggested as the source of the hydrogen. How is the hydrogen purified to be free of any oxygen and then delivered into the graphite chamber? (Or does the hydrogen generation take place inside the chamber?)

In what is the graphite chamber contained to isolate it from the surrounding air? (Or is the chamber "air cooled" from the outside?)

 

[michaelsuede]

OK let's run the numbers for 15cm diameter and 3000K. That results in a total power output of about 325kW, and assuming a surface area of 1m² for the PV array, we have an incident power density of 325kW/m² or about 230 times more than an array in the solar application. The maximum power density at the focus of a 1000 sun system is 325MW/m².

At 3000K (peak of the BB spectrum at about 966nm in the medium IR) only 26kW or about 8% is in the visible and so the top layer (biggest bandgap) of the multijunction cell will be generating very little energy. Across 400nm to 1100nm you have only 1/3 of the energy or about 110kW. The electrical efficiency will be below 40%, so this cell will produce about 30kW electrical power with a following wind and you'll have to deal with 300kW of waste heat by, what you now claim, would be active cooling. It makes no sense.

You certainly know how to troll... "what I now claim" as if I ever claimed anything different.

I'm not sure what doesn't make sense to you. Systems exist that can deal with the heat.

 

[hecd2]

You certainly know how to troll... "what I now claim" as if I ever claimed anything different.

Can I remind you of what you said:

The waste heat isn't a problem that can't be solved.

Like these production PV cells:
https://www.bsqsolar.com/technology/

Those are cooled using passive radiators. BrLP doesn't even need to bother with a passive system, giving them even greater cooling potential. The waste heat is a non-issue.

Your example was solar panels receiving 230 times less power density than Mills nonsense. And the panels weigh over a ton for 13kW output. And you said that BLP doesn't even need to bother with a passive system. You keep saying the waste heat is a non-issue when that is clearly not so and everyone can see that what you're doing is handwaving it away.

I'm not sure what doesn't make sense to you. Systems exist that can deal with the heat.

It's an engineering kludge - using less than 10% of the energy produced and having to run an active cooling system to deal with more than 90%, which active system will itself need power and further degrade the efficiency. And you keep handwaving away the fact that if you're using high concentrator PV cells the peak power density is several hundred times the design specification for solar radiation.

 

[halleyscomet]

You certainly know how to troll... "what I now claim" as if I ever claimed anything different.



I'm not sure what doesn't make sense to you. Systems exist that can deal with the heat.

Got any examples that are compact enough to put In a car?

 

[Matthew Cline]

For using the device to power a car, if the source of hydrogen is water:

1. How much is the efficiency decreased from needing to use power generated by the device to break the oxygen-hydrogen bonds in the water?
2. How many gallons of water will it take to, for instance, drive a car 60 miles at 60 MPH on a freeway?
3. Would a car's water tank need to be larger to make similarly long trips compared to the gas tanks for gas powered cars, or could the water tank be made smaller?
4. Would tap/municipal water need to be purified to prevent chlorine and minerals from degrading the graphite dome?

If the source of hydrogen isn't water but compressed hydrogen gas, then why not use either an internal combustion engine or fuel cells to power the car?

 

[michaelsuede]

Can I remind you of what you said:



Your example was solar panels receiving 230 times less power density than Mills nonsense. And the panels weigh over a ton for 13kW output. And you said that BLP doesn't even need to bother with a passive system. You keep saying the waste heat is a non-issue when that is clearly not so and everyone can see that what you're doing is handwaving it away.

It's an engineering kludge - using less than 10% of the energy produced and having to run an active cooling system to deal with more than 90%, which active system will itself need power and further degrade the efficiency. And you keep handwaving away the fact that if you're using high concentrator PV cells the peak power density is several hundred times the design specification for solar radiation.

Yeah, as in they can use an active system that's far more compact and efficient at removing waste heat. I'm not sure how you could possibly interpret that statement to mean I said they were using passive cooling.

Throwing away energy doesn't matter when it costs next to nothing to produce. Who cares? Cooling solutions exist that can deal with the heat.

That said, the first use of the reactor in a production environment will be for heating water according to the latest BrLP timeline.

 

[Hans]

MS: A question for Mills

Ask him for an accounting of the last 30 years use of the raised money in particular the percentage used for research and development versus salaries and bonuses for the employees of the BLP and its many predecessors.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

It's probably worth PMing michaelsuede the questions as well as posting them in this thread and posting that you have PMed him. Only posting them in this thread allows him to say "I didn't get any questions so I didn't ask any".

 

[Matthew Cline]

Questions that I PM'd him:

1) Why did they start with the PV design? Why not concentrate on first getting the reactor done, sell reactor for use in heating and powering steam engines, then use the profits from those sales to research how to do the PV version?

2) Has BLP had any discussions with the EPA or other governmental regulatory agencies to make sure that sales of the devices aren't put on hold while biological/medical/environmental research is done into short term and long term exposure to hydrinos? Or does Mills think that the fact that none of the researchers exposed for years to hydrinos means that regulatory agencies will give the greenlight to sales without any clinical research/experiments being done?

 

[jsfisher]

Hmmm, wouldn't any sort of electric power generator require FCC certification?

The FCC has a rule that you cannot offer for sale (e.g. as in a contract to deliver units to some utility company) for a device that requires FCC certification before the device has been certified. And the device cannot be certified until you have a working as-to-be-delivered unit available for certification tests.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

You're forgetting the condenser rig that would be required.

And you're ignoring the epic weight of the equipment involved.

That picture also makes no mention of the turbines required.

Just as you are hand-waving away the cooling required for the photovoltaic system.

And, you say it's impossible, but this article disagrees. The company that that article mostly talks about, Cyclone Power, already has several contracts in place, including with the military. They've won engineering awards, as well. That's much better than Mills has managed in 30 years. Mills should get in contact with them and see if they'd be interested in collaborating on a BlackLight-powered steam-engine car.

 

[jrhowell]

I wonder whether the heat producing unit will do away with the graphite dome. It shouldn't be needed in that application and a stronger reactor vessel would eliminate a large number of potential failure scenarios.

On second thought, I suppose they would consider that to be counter productive.

 

[Matthew Cline]

The FCC has a rule that you cannot offer for sale (e.g. as in a contract to deliver units to some utility company) for a device that requires FCC certification before the device has been certified. And the device cannot be certified until you have a working as-to-be-delivered unit available for certification tests.

That would be FERC (Federal Energy Regulatory Commission), not FCC; a quick Google hasn't turned up anything obvious (to me) about what sorts of certificates (if any) they'd required for selling generators, or what sorts of reviews/certifications are needed by those using the generators. Then there's various state-level public utilities commissions, with their regulations, but again I don't know enough about regulatory agencies or the power industry to Google up anything useful. However, I'm sure they'd all be very interested in a generator that produces a brand new type of gas which hasn't undergone any medical or environmental testing.

 

[The Norseman]

That would be FERC (Federal Energy Regulatory Commission), not FCC; a quick Google hasn't turned up anything obvious (to me) about what sorts of certificates (if any) they'd required for selling generators, or what sorts of reviews/certifications are needed by those using the generators. Then there's various state-level public utilities commissions, with their regulations, but again I don't know enough about regulatory agencies or the power industry to Google up anything useful. However, I'm sure they'd all be very interested in a generator that produces a brand new type of gas which hasn't undergone any medical or environmental testing.

Yes, the states have apparently more direct oversight of the specific plants, but you're right in that FERC seems to require all companies which generate electricity show that the methods they use are safe for the public and environment.

So either Mills himself will have to go to the feds and various state agencies to demonstrate how Hydrinos™ are safe, or the existing power-producing companies which would buy these theoretical Hydrino™ generators would have to.

Plus, quite a bit of those papers are considered publicly accessible (with or without FOIA requests). Certain applications, for example, require public notice to be given before FERC will begin the examination process.

So which companies are buying the Hydrino™ HoneysⓇ, when were their safety papers filed and in which state(s)? Who signed off on them, at least? See, none of that information is proprietary, nor trade secrets either, so it would be simple to point to that information or provide names and dates.

It's sad that Investors are being bilked out of a ton of money and don't have even the smarts to ask about the various regulatory agencies and the very real time, money, and effort it takes to jump through those hoops.

Just as the days of the Shade-Tree Inventor are over, the days of just shoving a new, physics-breaking machine into the power generating grid of the United States with no questions asked, are long gone.

 

[michaelsuede]

I got a few good questions from Mathew.

Just to clarify, I'm not going to ask any insulting, trolling or inflammatory questions, so don't bother sending them to me. I'm also not looking for questions that Mills has repeatedly answered already in his public demonstration videos.

The two questions I have so far that I like are on the safety of hydrinos and if they are going to focus on boiler development.

I'm also going to get a more detailed response on how they are going to deal with the heat removal from the PV panel.