Brexit: the referendum

I think you might be slightly mixed up there, ironically.

:D You are correct, I'm referring to "British Accent versus English Accent!" Sorry!


You've been riding Sherlock Holmes' coattails for over a century. :p

Tis TRUE! That and Monty Python!

I really hope people watch that video above especially that segment at 49 minutes.
 
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You mean: you wanted to demonstrate how big idiots "euroskeptics" are, how little planning they ever do and how little idea they have altogether? Congratulation, you have succeeded spectacularly. Václav Klaus is nowhere to be found, Konvička disappeared from face of the Earth, also Mach is reported to be missing and all those parties against EU are just arguing about anti-smoking law...

Also if your intention was to demonstrate what happens when country tries some idiotic ideas like talking about A50 exit, thanks. We are writing brand new books for all the macroeconomics classes.

BTW: Your funny group of jokers have quite a choice: Full exit and trying to trade outside of EU. Not much of market there...
Or try to stay with Market. No change at all then as all "edicts" will apply to you, all that free movement will stay and you'll pay lot. With no grants for your development...

I guess being forgotten hole is a choice....

I would actually find a Norway option quite amusing.

  • Accept the vast majority of EU regulations
  • Pay about 85% of the membership fee (possibly without the UK rebate)
  • Accept free movement of people
  • Have control over our agricultural policy, and there is very little support for farm subsidies, which would make me really laugh, as loads of farmers voted for Brexit
 
:D You are correct, I'm referring to "British Accent versus English Accent!" Sorry!

The idea that such a thing exists is another mark in the minus column for 'Americans understanding the world' I'm afraid. ;)

Still, on the plus side you do make some really good beer now. 
 
I would actually find a Norway option quite amusing.

  • Accept the vast majority of EU regulations
  • Pay about 85% of the membership fee (possibly without the UK rebate)
  • Accept free movement of people
  • Have control over our agricultural policy, and there is very little support for farm subsidies, which would make me really laugh, as loads of farmers voted for Brexit

I would love to see Boris or Gove trying to sell it to the people as success. Although shamefaced lying seems to be the order of the day in politics so I'd probably be disappointed.
 
The idea that such a thing exists is another mark in the minus column for 'Americans understanding the world' I'm afraid. ;)

Still, on the plus side you do make some really good beer now. 

See. TYPICAL response.

Here, let a bunch of "British" people explain it to you. :rolleyes: Oh wait they don't want to be called British. Perhaps you ought to consider I'm not only talking about WHITE people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQ8ZQMUpaE

Seriously though take a look at this even though it's from the Daily Fail sorry! It was written three years ago. It's pointing out exactly what I'm saying about English versus British and again backs up the point that the Brexit vote is a revealing part of what is actually going on in England these days despite the denial.

It's turning into a country of Trump Supporter types of people. And it's going to get worse.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-English-British-means-likely-wary-EU.html
 
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I would love to see Boris or Gove trying to sell it to the people as success. Although shamefaced lying seems to be the order of the day in politics so I'd probably be disappointed.

It would have the advantage that it wouldn't be *too* bad.

Still a complete mess compared to staying.

I still hope that the next PM can think of a face-saving approach.

"We need to have the status quo on the menu before starting any negotiations"
or
"We didn't realise that it might cause the breakup of the United Kingdom, and many people probably didn't vote for that, so we'd need more of a mandate"
or
"We've just realised that Farage is a homonym for vagina in Malay, and...."
 
See. TYPICAL response.

Here, let a bunch of "British" people explain it to you. :rolleyes: Oh wait they don't want to be called British. Perhaps you ought to consider I'm not only talking about WHITE people. Again, so similar to the mindset of Trump Supporters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQ8ZQMUpaE

Yes, a typical Englishman's response, right?

Why have you suddenly started talking about race?
 
See. TYPICAL response.

Here, let a bunch of "British" people explain it to you. :rolleyes: Oh wait they don't want to be called British. Perhaps you ought to consider I'm not only talking about WHITE people. Again, so similar to the mindset of Trump Supporters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQ8ZQMUpaE

Of course there are nutjobs on all sides.

Welsh and Scots *really* don't want to be called English, whilst many English (and Scots and Welsh, and especially Norn Irish) do consider themselves British.
 
Of course there are nutjobs on all sides.

Welsh and Scots *really* don't want to be called English, whilst many English (and Scots and Welsh, and especially Norn Irish) do consider themselves British.


Yeah I added a Daily Fail link. REALLY fascinating because I just googled English not British and the article was written three years ago and is pointing out that they are likely to vote to leave the EU if they want to refer to themselves as English instead of British.

This vote is showing that it's not "nut jobs" it's more than half the country at this point. Trump isn't even half the country yet the Brits have been zooooming focused on that for the last year while their own backyard fell into a sink hole and everyone's so shocked.

I'm just saying I'm not shocked. I've been watching this happen in my interactions with English people for the last few years. Less and less real education, more and more xenophobia.
 
It would have the advantage that it wouldn't be *too* bad.

Still a complete mess compared to staying.

I still hope that the next PM can think of a face-saving approach.

"We need to have the status quo on the menu before starting any negotiations"
or
"We didn't realise that it might cause the breakup of the United Kingdom, and many people probably didn't vote for that, so we'd need more of a mandate"
or
"We've just realised that Farage is a homonym for vagina in Malay, and...."
These are all good. There's also "The financial landscape has changed radically, not necessarily to our advantage".
 
These are all good. There's also "The financial landscape has changed radically, not necessarily to our advantage".

I'd go with:

The exit crowd were all a bunch of liars, as can be seen by their words and actions since and it turns out the remain side's dire warnings were grounded in truth, so we'd like another go.

Unfortunately, if lying politicians is sufficient cause for a re-do of any voting process we're all going to spend a lot of time putting x's on bits of paper. A very long time.
 
I'd go with:

The exit crowd were all a bunch of liars, as can be seen by their words and actions since and it turns out the remain side's dire warnings were grounded in truth, so we'd like another go.

Unfortunately, if lying politicians is sufficient cause for a re-do of any voting process we're all going to spend a lot of time putting x's on bits of paper. A very long time.

That's why I chose the "Events my dear boy, events" options.
 
Hoping to stave off a broader political crisis after Britain's shock decision to leave the EU, European leaders agreed on Wednesday to spend the next nine months developing proposals for an overhaul of the bloc amid deep divisions between its members.

Disillusion with the EU has risen sharply following years of economic weakness and after a record influx of refugees and series of deadly attacks by Islamic militants.

The problems have fueled the sense that elites in Brussels and other European capitals are ineffective and out of touch with the concerns of ordinary people.

Last week, the anger bubbled over in Britain's Brexit vote, which threw six decades of closer European integration into reverse and raised fears of a domino effect on the continent, where anti-EU, xenophobic parties are on the rise.

EU leaders, who met on Wednesday without Britain, agree that change is needed. But they also know that time is required to get the remaining 27 members behind a common European initiative due to a deep divide over what lessons to draw from Brexit.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-europe-idUSKCN0ZF1TY
 
Sadly that seems to be true of pretty much everywhere these days. Once again US culture leads the trend.

Everyone's upset with the massive wealth inequality that is only growing.

Successful politicians, rather than admitting that they are in the pockets of big business which has dictated the course of action up until now are not able to tell the truth - that they are the ones responsible for the rising inequality - are forced into blaming it all on any convenient scapegoat that presents itself. This is a superb breeding ground for the Farridges, Trumps and other demagogues looking for a route to power. The disenfranchised like boneheaded certainty with no substance, it seems.
 
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Sadly that seems to be true of pretty much everywhere these days. Once again US culture leads the trend.

We'll see. Like I said, I may have to eat crow but I think it's exaggerated in the US and it's not in England. I think most Americans are horrified by Trump. But who knows, maybe on election day we'll get a shock as well. But it is true that America leads the world culturally. Wish others would make more relevant modern contributions instead of expecting to be applauded for the past.
 
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That's why I chose the "Events my dear boy, events" options.

Good point, well made. :D


Exactly.

I really don't think the UK is going to leave. Too much must happen - and too many events must not happen - for it to become reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIVilRyWzO4


I'm hoping. What I'm actually hoping for is a whole new outlook for the British Isles in respect of Europe and that this absolute *************** of a situation might bring a little light on the lies told about Europe by the national press (The press who I believe should carry a large dose of blame (yes, blame) for where we are now.

(Edit - weird, the forum doesn't like the word cluster if followed by asterisks.)
 
We'll see. Like I said, I may have to eat crow but I think it's exaggerated in the US and it's not in England. I think most Americans are horrified by Trump. But who knows, maybe on election day we'll get a shock as well. But it is true that America leads the world culturally. Wish others would make more relevant modern contributions instead of expecting to be applauded for the past.

Please explain why you find that to be so? I see more and more non-American actors in US TV shows and Hollywood movies for example. And seemingly about every 3rd film I watch has central London in it.
 
......The people there are exactly like the Trump supporters in the US.....

Idiotic comment. Not just idiotic...ignorant and idiotic. Congratulations......

......I just posted that as of this year English teenagers are the most illiterate in the developed world. That's the future coming to England......

The Brexit vote just brought it full focus to everyone's attention, so that's why I mentioned it.

There is some connection you can dream up between the general educational performance of British teens and the referendum result. Wonderful. How clever of you to just find some excuse to tell us all how thick and racist we all are despite our accents.

t is true that America leads the world culturally. Wish others would make more relevant modern contributions instead of expecting to be applauded for the past.

Marvelous. Americans are the best, Brits are ill educated racists. Such a cogent argument. I can't find any holes in that.
 
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