Brexit: the referendum

[angrysoba]

I probably have not looked at this as carefully as I should have done, but anyway, the boss of M£S talking to fellow business people has warned that they will have to pay more for labour if they vote for Brexit. Of course, this has increased the appeal for Brexit for those who want wages to rise.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ent-of-a-Brexit-head-of-in-campaign-says.html

Obviously we have to work out if this means there will be lower employment as a result and not just assume that every non-skilled person will get a payrise although I notice that when these types of questions usually come up advocates for increasing minimum wage tend to argue that it improves the economy to have more people with more money as they tend to spend it faster than wealthy people who save.

 

[Garrison]

Nevertheless, the British have demonstrated that they - better than anyone else in history - know how to muck up great manufacturing companies. Seriously, show me a promising British-owned manufacturing firm, and I'll show you a company that is destined to fail.

Okay genius try this one:

http://www.e2v.com/

 

[MikeG]

FT Poll of polls.

Currently 46% stay, 41% leave.

Considering the importance of the issue, and the amount of coverage it is getting in the news etc, I'm surprised that there are still relatively few polls, and these are dominated by YouGov, which I think is just an on-line organisation. Maybe the other major companies are scared of another major cock-up like the general election.

 

[ceptimus]

If leave were in the lead, I think there would be a lot more polls. I think the effect of people seeing poll results is to narrow the race, and the people that pay for the polls don't want the race narrowed while their chosen side is in the lead.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

I think there's a distinct lack of interest in this referendum to be honest. At least in these parts. As yet I haven't seen much momentum to the leave campaign and therefore no real reason for the stay side to get too

 

[GlennB]

FT Poll of polls.

Currently 46% stay, 41% leave.

Considering the importance of the issue, and the amount of coverage it is getting in the news etc, I'm surprised that there are still relatively few polls, and these are dominated by YouGov, which I think is just an on-line organisation. Maybe the other major companies are scared of another major cock-up like the general election.

I had a peek at their methodology and it caters for age/tech availability/previous tendencies etc. Looks like they're doing their best.

link

My main worry is that the fairly high %age of 'undecideds' are likely to lurch in favour of the sheer excitement value of "leave".

 

[Agatha]

Stay on topic of the Brexit/Bremain referendum, please. Discussions of general government policy, or specific policy to do with ESA and DLA/PIP should be in another thread (which anyone interested is at liberty to start).

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Agatha

 

[Darat]

Oh dear our not at all political Queen caught out again in engaging with politics.

 

[Information Analyst]

Oh dear our not at all political Queen caught out again in engaging with politics.

Or not, as the case may be. Clegg is denying the conversation the Scum is relying (however many years ago it was) on did not actually take place.

 

[Darat]

What you mean the Sun may not be a reliable source, I'm shocked!

 

[MikeG]

The Sun are claiming they have two independent sources for the story, from two different occasions. They're robustly sticking by it, despite all the pressure.

 

[Lothian]

The Sun are claiming they have two independent sources for the story, from two different occasions. They're robustly sticking by it, despite all the pressure.

I hear she objected to UK taxpayers money going to support an outdated institution that adds little to this country..........

 

[angrysoba]

Oh dear our not at all political Queen caught out again in engaging with politics.

Or not, as the case may be. Clegg is denying the conversation the Scum is relying (however many years ago it was) on did not actually take place.

What you mean the Sun may not be a reliable source, I'm shocked!

The Sun are claiming they have two independent sources for the story, from two different occasions. They're robustly sticking by it, despite all the pressure.

I hear she objected to UK taxpayers money going to support an outdated institution that adds little to this country..........

Do you guys mind citing some sources here? Maybe in the UK this might be front-page news and on all the TV channels but not all of us live in those parts.

 

[Craig B]

The Sun are claiming they have two independent sources for the story, from two different occasions. They're robustly sticking by it, despite all the pressure.

Her Majesty did comment during the Scotland Independence referendum. Per the Guardian:

The comments by the Queen came as she left Crathie Kirk near her Balmoral estate in Aberdeenshire after the Sunday morning service. The Queen told a well-wisher: "Well, I hope people will think very carefully about the future."

The Queen's remarks were interpreted by no campaigners as helpful to their cause. They were seen to tally with a warning the prime minister will deliver in Scotland on Monday, on his final visit north of the border before Thursday's vote, that a vote for independence would lead to an irrevocable break with the UK.​

On that occasion her words "tallied" with the PM's political stance, and in this case they are reported not to. That makes quite a bit of difference to the probability of the event.

 

[Lothian]

Double post*






*Inability to distinguish edit from quote.

 

[Lothian]

It is a storm in a tiara. BBC

No doubt some people are influenced by others views.

I am not influenced by the Queen (although my starting position would often be the one opposite her's.)

Then again I am influenced by Stephen Hawking and 150 Royal Society scientists who said today that leaving the EU would be a disaster for UK science

Although influence may not be the right word. Perhaps it is confirmation bias.

 

[Information Analyst]

I hear she objected to UK taxpayers money going to support an outdated institution that adds little to this country..........

Ugh! Let's not start that disinformational nonsense again....

 

[Lothian]

Ugh! Let's not start that disinformational nonsense again....

Sometimes I am fairly sure that I don't need an irony smilie. However whatever I write I always expect some people will disagree.

 

[jimbob]

The Sun are claiming they have two independent sources for the story, from two different occasions. They're robustly sticking by it, despite all the pressure.

I can easily believe it. However rational she is, in the early 1950s, she was a far more important person than she is now, and Britain was still having pretensions to being a great power and arguably preeminent within Western Europe- especially militarily, and it could be hard to dissociate that with emotionally with joining the EEC/EU.

I don't have a problem with the monarch having a view. I don't even mind them expressing them in private. However, beyond motherhood and apple pie, they shouldn't express them in public. I don't know whether this was a public occasion.

 

[MikeG]

Do you guys mind citing some sources here? Maybe in the UK this might be front-page news and on all the TV channels but not all of us live in those parts.

BBC Radio 4 Today Programme at around 7.00 this morning, live interview with the editor of The Sun.