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Cont: Brexit: Now What? The Perfect 10.

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The Don said:
I honestly think that most Brexiteers are deluded enough to think that if they were in charge of process then Johnny (or Jacques or Johann) Foreigner would have recognised their innate superiority and agreed to all of their terms.

As a result Brexit would have been a resounding success if they had been allowed to lead it.

Because we have (so far) failed to secure the trade deal they want, anyone involved with the negotiation must be a Remoaner fifth-columnist regardless of their professed enthusiasm for Brexit.
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It’s probably that they didn’t, and likely still don’t, understand the benefits of common regulations, customs and trade agreements, travel, etc with other European nations. Because they didn’t understand what they were getting, loosing these benefits isn’t something they fully understand either. Since they don’t understand that loosing these advantages was always going to be a fundamental result of Brexit, they attribute the loss to “a bad deal”.
 
lomiller said:
It’s probably that they didn’t, and likely still don’t, understand the benefits of common regulations, customs and trade agreements, travel, etc with other European nations. Because they didn’t understand what they were getting, loosing these benefits isn’t something they fully understand either. Since they don’t understand that loosing these advantages was always going to be a fundamental result of Brexit, they attribute the loss to “a bad deal”.
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I'm not so sure. The clear message sent by the Leave campaign is that the UK and UK citizens would continue to enjoy all the benefits of EU membership - including free trade and free movement - without having to adhere to any of the rules of EU membership unless the UK wanted to.

OTOH, EU citizens would be subject to UK movement restrictions and EU firms trading in the UK would have to abide by UK rules.
 
The Don said:
I'm not so sure. The clear message sent by the Leave campaign is that the UK and UK citizens would continue to enjoy all the benefits of EU membership - including free trade and free movement - without having to adhere to any of the rules of EU membership unless the UK wanted to.

OTOH, EU citizens would be subject to UK movement restrictions and EU firms trading in the UK would have to abide by UK rules.
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Brexit supporters only hate one thing more than the EU and that is the suggestion they didn't know what deal they were voting for.

Speak to one and the they will tell you they understood all the issues. They knew exactly what deal they voted for. That tends to be is whatever deal looks most likely at any time. No matter how often that likely deal has changed since 2016. I find at any time the governments preferred deal/ negotiating potion is exactly what they knew would happen and is the very deal* they voted for.


*or no deal as the case has been on a number of occasions.
 
So much for "Today I will introduce a sanctions regime that will target people who have committed the gravest human rights violations. Global Britain will be an even stronger force for good in the world, in the years ahead."


UK to resume Saudi arms sales after humanitarian review
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53324251
 
So Cummings, who spent 3 years in Russia pushes through Brexit, slashes the British defences, visits security sites and refuses to release TheRussia Report.
Now he's going to 'sort out' the military.
Nobody smell a rat?


Labour questions Dominic Cummings's links to Russia
The shadow foreign secretary, Emily Thornberry, has written to the government with questions about Dominic Cummings’s connections to Russia and the levels of security vetting to which he has been subjected in Downing Street after an official-level whistleblower raised serious concerns.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/03/dominic-cummings-labour-questions-russia-links
 
letter from Truss to Gove/Sunak which says she's worried that UK borders won't be ready for 2021

She says Ports might not be fully ready, NI protocol unlikely to be ready and UK plans could be challenged at WTO.
She warns there's a risk of smuggling if not all ports are fully prepared.

Also appears to reveal that EU tariffs will be applied to all goods heading to NI from GB from Jan 1 as the dual-tariff system isn't set to be ready on time

Also warns that the government's phased plan for the borders could face "a legal challenge at the WTO" as the plan to give EU temporary preferential treatment in early 2021 could be "be vulnerable to WTO challenge,"

https://www.businessinsider.com/lea...son-brexit-border-plans-concerns-risks-2020-7
 
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At what point can we reasonably have a conversation about a rogue government acting against the interests of those they are supposed to represent?
 
3point14 said:
At what point can we reasonably have a conversation about a rogue government acting against the interests of those they are supposed to represent?
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Never.

They were elected with a thumping majority and, at least in the last election, were very clear about their approach to Brexit.

The British public (I say this because Wales and Scotland also have Tory MPs) voted in the Conservatives with full knowledge of what they intended and/or wilfully ignored all the evidence of what they intended. The government is only doing what the British public said they wanted.

I think you could argue that Boris Johnson Dominic Cummings becoming PM and fundamentally changing the approach to Brexit represented a degree of roguishness but as soon as he was returned with that big majority IMO any such claims fail.

It's a massive failing of the FPTP system that we British seem to love, but the 40 odd percent get to drive the bus off the cliff.
 
In all fairness, mate, there are only 6 Tory MPs in Scotland out of a total of 59. They got a less-than-impressive 25% of the vote, compared to the SNP at 45% and Labour at 18-odds.
 
Liz Truss Tweeted

@trussliz
Delighted to confirm that the UK will be nominating @LiamFox to be the next Director General of the WTO.
We need a fierce champion of free and fair trade, an advocate of multilateralism and someone able to get things done.
Liam brings all that to the table.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Liz Truss Tweeted

@trussliz
Delighted to confirm that the UK will be nominating disgraced former defence secretary @LiamFox to be the next Director General of the WTO.
We need a fierce champion of free and fair trade, an advocate of multilateralism and someone able to get things done.
Disgraced former defence secretary Liam brings all that to the table.
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FTFY or FTFher
 
Architect said:
In all fairness, mate, there are only 6 Tory MPs in Scotland out of a total of 59. They got a less-than-impressive 25% of the vote, compared to the SNP at 45% and Labour at 18-odds.
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True, but they're not entirely absent, and there are six times as many as there were a couple of parliaments ago.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Liam Fox tweeted

Dr Liam Fox MP #StayAlert
@LiamFox
I am honoured to have been nominated by @BorisJohnson to be a candidate to lead the @wto. I believe that if we want to keep the WTO relevant and vibrant our task is clear: Update. Strengthen and Reform. We must ensure that global trade works for everyone. https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-nominates-liam-fox-as-next-director-general-of-the-wto
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I wonder if they're labouring under the misapprehension that Dr Liam Fox holding the post of WTO director general will mean he has the power to make "WTO Terms" the equivalent of a free trade deal with whatever party or parties he stipulates.

Then again Britain's international reputation is such that he stands as much chance of winning as the UK stands of winning Eurovision these days.
 
Yeah, the odds of Fox getting the job are pretty much nil as he clearly has no grasp of foreign trade issues with his support of Brexit.
 
Oh dear - leaky buckets for the win again:
Liz Truss letter puts Sunak and Gove on spot

A cabinet row over Brexit has erupted into the open with Liz Truss, the international trade secretary, warning in a leaked letter that the PM’s border plans risk smuggling, damage to the UK’s international reputation and a legal challenge from the World Trade Organization. Truss wrote to the chancellor, Rishi Sunak, and Michael Gove on Wednesday warning of four “key areas of concern” over their plans for the border next January. Gove has unveiled a border regime for traders whereby customs and health checks for goods from the EU would not be imposed immediately and instead be phased in over six months. But Truss warns it would “be vulnerable” as the WTO could object to EU goods being treated differently to those from elsewhere which incur tariffs and quotas. She also raises concerns over smuggling because full checks will not be in place from 1 January. ... snip.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...exit-border-plans?CMP=morningbriefinguk_email
 
The Don said:
I wonder if they're labouring under the misapprehension that Dr Liam Fox holding the post of WTO director general will mean he has the power to make "WTO Terms" the equivalent of a free trade deal with whatever party or parties he stipulates.

Then again Britain's international reputation is such that he stands as much chance of winning as the UK stands of winning Eurovision these days.
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Look on the bright side, if he gets it then at least eventually they'll be someone in the government who actually knows something about the WTO, it will be too late and they won't like what they learn but that can no longer be helped.
 
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