Not with the UK there aren't. We're fundamentally an island nation. The border with Ireland is the only land border we have.*
* to be fair, there is Gibraltar, but that's not part of the UK.
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Not with the UK there aren't. We're fundamentally an island nation. The border with Ireland is the only land border we have.*
* to be fair, there is Gibraltar, but that's not part of the UK.
Why not? Who says so? Ah... that would be the EU of course.
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Yes the EU. It's their border. They get to say what they want just as we do.
How come the people that want more secure and tighter borders object to a more secure and tighter border with Ireland?
Why do they object to the EU wanting a secure border with a country that won't be a part of the EU anymore?
How come the people that want more secure and tighter borders object to a more secure and tighter border with Ireland?
Why do they object to the EU wanting a secure border with a country that won't be a part of the EU anymore?
Of course it will be an EU border as well as a UK one. If the EU decide to build a hard border on their side the UK won't be able to stop them. Are the EU making plans to build any such border infrastructure? As far as I know they aren't.
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Britain could slash environmental and safety standards on imported products 'a very long way' after Brexit, Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg says.
Jacob Rees-Mogg said regulations that were “good enough for India” could be good enough for the UK – arguing that the UK could go “a very long way” to rolling back high EU standards.
I suppose he thinks it's the way to destroy British manufacturing who are producing goods to EU standards or force them to make shoddy crap to compete.
Of course it will close Europe, the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and other developed countries with high standards to British goods as well.
Jacob Rees-Mogg said regulations that were “good enough for India” could be good enough for the UK – arguing that the UK could go “a very long way” to rolling back high EU standards.
I suppose he thinks it's the way to destroy British manufacturing who are producing goods to EU standards or force them to make shoddy crap to compete.
Of course it will close Europe, the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and other developed countries with high standards to British goods as well.
Someone will have to explain to me why regressing from developed world standards for things to developing world standards is a good thing. It would also be good if he could point out the environmental and safety standards that are so burdensome and be clear on the benefits for abolishing them.
Perhaps he finds that non-exploding, non-choking, non-poisoning products just don't add the frisson of excitement to day to day life that products from back in the (18) 50's used to give
It's what I was saying prior to the referendum and what I've been carping on about since the result, the leaders of the Brexit movement seem to see Britain's place on the world economic stage as being competing on price with the developing world and not, as today, competing with the developed world on knowledge, quality and innovation.
Their vision of the future seems to be the UK as a polluting, low wage sweat shop just off the coast of the European mainland. That may be good news for a few business owners and executives, but not great news for the rest of the British public
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Because those are the lies told by Aaron, Boris, Nigel and Christopher the Maltese Kiwi when they decided to **** up the country for their own, sociopathic ends.
My dad is one of those people. He took the dropping of filament bulbs and the introduction of CFL bulbs as a personal slight. Admittedly he is suffering from macular degeneration and benefits from high light levels.
He's proud of the fact that he still has filament bulbs in every fitting in his house - I haven't the heart to tell him that I swapped them out for LEDs over a year ago
He repeatedly says how much better "his" bulbs are than that LED rubbish....
UK vacuum cleaners had IMO absurdly high power ratings - IIRC upwards of 2kw in some cases.
Our "Harry" (pet friendly Henry) is an EU compliant model and is rated at a third of the power as the VAX it replaced and has far, far better suction and a much lower power consumption.
I'm not sure why people are so desperate to have horribly inefficient appliances. I mean if the EU-compliant models sucked (or I guess more accurately, didn't suck) then those who are complaining might have a point but that's simply not the case.
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Exactly it is really the fault of the Irish for not joining in brexit and leaving the EU to keep the open border.
If the Irish were serious about an open border they would have joined the UK.
ponderingturtle
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Waaa they will not give us everything we want and demand the all UK EU borders be treated the same with a standardized policy. Waaaaaaa.
'Demand' is the key word here. Once we've left the EU, then the type of border infrastructure we build on OUR side of the borders is a matter for us to decide - and we can simply choose to ignore EU 'demands' if it suits us to do so.
The EU can do what they like on their own side of the borders.
No we can't.
I refer you again to how the WTO works.
If we don't have a trade agreement with the EU we can't have an open border.
Unless you want us to drop out of the WTO as well...I hear there's a rather select group of countries in that club.
quadraginta
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You seem to be the only one who believes this is possible, so perhaps you can explain it to me.
As I understood it, one of the major complaints of the Brexit supporters was that the UK needed to be able to control the movement of other EU countries' citizens across her borders, which the EU prevented by its policy of free movement between EU countries.
The Republic of Ireland will still be an EU member, so any citizen of an EU country can move freely into Ireland.
Northern Ireland will be part of the UK, not of the EU.
If you have open borders (No customs check for people. As in, "Your passport, please. Are you carrying any goods you need to declare? How long do you plan to stay?") between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland then there will still be uncontrolled movement of citizens of EU countries into the UK.
Isn't this one of the major things Brexit was meant to stop? Isn't a hard border between the EU and the UK one of the fundamental reasons for leaving?
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Yes. Obviously the whole point of the CTA is more that British citizens can move to Ireland - either temporaily or permanently - and vice versa, vote in elections where ther are, and so on. Cross-border traffic between Ireland and Norther Ireland on a day-to-day basis was and will be only a small part of it. Depending on circumstances, either citizen still have to prove that they have the citizenship they say they have, if asked to do so.
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I wouldn't swap our Miele for anything else.
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Should the EU negotiate from the premise that it wants open borders with Scotland but not England next? And if the UK refuses clearly they are then negotiating in bad faith. After all why should Scotland and England not have different rules about crossing over from the EU? So a flight from Germany to Scotland no passports or customs, flight from germany to England Passports and customs needed.
Seems simple and no reason for the UK to fight that right?
Seems simple and no reason for the UK to fight that right?
P.J. Denyer
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Don't you remember that eight year olds used to be gainfully employed running between through the gaps in the factories that made Britain great? Why do you hate eight year olds so much that you wish to deny them this exciting opportunity to be economically productive and virtuously generate profit for shareholders! You remoaner!
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