Brexit: Now What? Part IV

[Amazer]

I have no reason to doubt he believed the bid for Dundee was still OK, after taking advice from the UK part of the process. He just expressed disappointment at not being included. I do not see how he misrepresented anything.

Neither do I... and I completely understand that he was disappointed. Who wouldn't be after putting in considerable effort already.

And I do think that if there was even a remote chance that Brexit could be reversed, that it would have been beneficial to keep these cities in the running for this title. But since Brexit will happen, I do understand that the EU has decided to put a stop to it now.

 

[Roofgardener]

I have no reason to doubt he believed the bid for Dundee was still OK, after taking advice from the UK part of the process. He just expressed disappointment at not being included. I do not see how he misrepresented anything.

I was referring to his statement that he had received advice from the Foreign Office ?

 

[ponderingturtle]

Theresa May does as well - she wants to control the flow of people from the EU into the UK

Theresa May doesn't as well - she wants to allow free movement of people between the Northern Ireland and the EU

The simple answer is spin off Norther Ireland. Once it is not part of the UK anymore it all becomes easy.

 

[The Don]

The simple answer is spin off Norther Ireland. Once it is not part of the UK anymore it all becomes easy.

Apart from the fact that she'd lose her support from the DUP so it would never get through parliament.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Apart from the fact that she'd lose her support from the DUP so it would never get through parliament.

Not now, but who knows what will happen when push starts to come to shove and they have to start making hard choices?

 

[GnaGnaMan]

Neither do I... and I completely understand that he was disappointed. Who wouldn't be after putting in considerable effort already.

And I do think that if there was even a remote chance that Brexit could be reversed, that it would have been beneficial to keep these cities in the running for this title. But since Brexit will happen, I do understand that the EU has decided to put a stop to it now.

If the UK had pursued the "Norway option" it would have been clearly elligible according to the recently changed rules but not necessarily according to the original ones.

It looks like the EU did try to accomodate the UK as far as possible but given that the choice is a complete Brexit...

 

[The Don]

It looks like the EU did try to accomodate the UK as far as possible but given that the choice is a complete Brexit...

Is this some new term to show something was really, really bad ? As in ?

"How was your round of golf ?"

"It was fine until the fifteenth where I had a complete Brexit and shanked one out of bounds....."

 

[Tolls]

I don't know about anyone else, but I fully intend on using that!

 

[jimbob]

The simple answer is spin off Norther Ireland. Once it is not part of the UK anymore it all becomes easy.

Yes, I had mentioned that there are three mutually incompatible demands, I think any two are logically possible, assuming Ireland remains in the EU.

No border between Northern Ireland and the EU

Control of people between the UK and EU

Northern Ireland to remain in the UK

 

[ddt]

The simple answer is spin off Norther Ireland. Once it is not part of the UK anymore it all becomes easy.

Apart from the fact that she'd lose her support from the DUP so it would never get through parliament.

Maybe instead, Sinn Fein will take up their seats to give May a majority in a vote on divesting of Northern Ireland?

 

[ddt]

Yes, I had mentioned that there are three mutually incompatible demands, I think any two are logically possible, assuming Ireland remains in the EU.

No border between Northern Ireland and the EU

Control of people between the UK and EU

Northern Ireland to remain in the UK

Not only people, but also goods. Given the volatile situation, both goods that would ordinarily be declared with customs and goods that wouldn't be.

 

[jimbob]

Not only people, but also goods. Given the volatile situation, both goods that would ordinarily be declared with customs and goods that wouldn't be.

I'm not sure whether that is true.

To be honest I doubt that May knows either. The three options are already mutually exclusive.

 

[Nessie]

I was referring to his statement that he had received advice from the Foreign Office ?

There was reference to Boris Johnston reassured them it would all be fine

 

[Nessie]

The simple answer is spin off Norther Ireland. Once it is not part of the UK anymore it all becomes easy.

Negotiating NI leaving the UK would make Brexit look like a walk in the park. Plus, any hint of that and the Troubles would reignite in an instant.

 

[jimbob]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...der-travel-turkey-warning-chaos-a8079011.html

Turkey’s prime minister has warned of the “long queues” his country’s trucks face trying to cross into the European Union, under rules that could be forced on Britain after Brexit.

Interviewed by The Independent, Binali Yıldırım revealed that Turkey’s transport companies went to court because of the tailbacks and the big costs they had run up.

The problems arise despite Turkey being in the EU customs union, because – like Theresa May’s plan for Brexit – it does not have free movement of people and is outside the single market.

 

[jimbob]

Farage continues to demonstrate the same respect for facts that marked the leave campaign.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...myth-racism-refugees-oskarshamn-a8076796.html

On his LBC Radio show, Mr Farage cited a story, later written up by far right news website Breitbart and conspiracy website InfoWars, which claimed the people in the Swedish town of Oskarshamn were too afraid to leave the house at night.

He said: “The caller earlier who told me how wonderful Sweden was and the picture I was painting was wrong - [In] the Swedish city of Oskarshamn, joggers going out after night will have the option of being accompanied by armed police officers.

“This is something that the local inspector thinks will make people a bit safer at night, going out in a Swedish city.

“Who would have believed I would have said that about a Swedish city just five years ago? It is truly incredible.”

Well the highlighted part was accurate. Literally incredible

 

[ddt]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...der-travel-turkey-warning-chaos-a8079011.html

Duh. As the article states, Turkey has no freedom of movement of persons with the EU. So the Bulgarian border guards have to thoroughly check those Turkish lorry drivers whether they're not secret members of a fifth column that wants to re-annex Bulgaria to the Turkish Empire. I surmise the article doesn't mention border crossing with Greece because they're not open to begin with.

For the sarcasm impaired: Turkey has historically very bad relations with both its European neighbors. I wonder how much of the Turkish complaints is due to incomplete freedom of movement treaties with the EU and how much is due to those animosities.

Anyway, we live in interesting times. The POTUS is BFF with Putin and apparently, May becomes BFF with Erdogan. And it's interesting to see which of those 40 treaties has Liam Fox' priority. His next successes will be trade deals with Northern Cyprus, Transnistria and Abkhazia.

 

[Andy_Ross]

The government has handed over its analysis of the impact of Brexit on parts of the economy - but the reports are not complete.
Labour and some Conservative MPs have demanded their publication, saying they were being kept in the dark about the impact Brexit might have.
Mr Davis said the papers had been redacted because there was no guarantee the committee would keep them secret.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42142882

 

[jimbob]

The government has handed over its analysis of the impact of Brexit on parts of the economy - but the reports are not complete.
Labour and some Conservative MPs have demanded their publication, saying they were being kept in the dark about the impact Brexit might have.
Mr Davis said the papers had been redacted because there was no guarantee the committee would keep them secret.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42142882

From Badscience

Reading between the lines, those redacted reports into the impacts of Brexit might well be published tomorrow.

Is it actually a fact that they exist, then?

They probably do now, but possibly in a essay-crisis all-nighter deadliney kind of way. The more interesting question is whether they existed on the day of the Commons vote that forced their release.

As far as I am aware, they have existed for ages (months, a year?), albeit in a rather crap almost bullet-point format back then. However, they're not much more comprehensive now.

(According to my civil servant friend in David Davis' office, purely anecdotal I'm afraid)

YMMV as to the reliability of Mikeh's comments but it tallies with what other people are saying.

 

[Information Analyst]

Maybe. But corporations are taxed at the point where their registered HQ is situated, and that tends to be in London, which is in England. Transfer of that tax point to the other countries, where that would occur, might outweigh the beneficial effect you have observed.

In the context of England & Wales separated from Scotland and NI, which companies currently based in London do you think would suddenly move, and to where?