Brexit: Now What? Part IV

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Nessie said:
Again, why are you makign this personal? I am well aware of the false news about the EU. I studied the EU, as it was then, in the mid 1980s at universty. Boring as heck, but it meant I was far more aware than most of its numerous parts. I spent a lot of time arguing; do we really want to leave...and would then list all the various institutions. I was well aware leaving the EU did not mean regaining control of our borders and the claims about saving money to go the NHS was highly dubious.



No. The issue here is that sadly, UK cities have now been excluded, which is the first time any city has been allowed to enter and has then been excluded.
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Isn't it also the first time that cities which were eligible when the selection process began became ones that were expected to be ineligible when the award was made?
 
Nessie said:
Again, why are you makign this personal? I am well aware of the false news about the EU. I studied the EU, as it was then, in the mid 1980s at universty. Boring as heck, but it meant I was far more aware than most of its numerous parts. I spent a lot of time arguing; do we really want to leave...and would then list all the various institutions. I was well aware leaving the EU did not mean regaining control of our borders and the claims about saving money to go the NHS was highly dubious.
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And yet you thought it perfectly plausible that the commission would change the rules of some largely symbolic feel-good project specifically just to exclude the UK. That's not the behavior that I'd expect from a professional body; especially not one that is so insistent on its rules as the EU currently.
I read the british articles online and can see how one could come away believing what you did.
 
quadraginta said:
Isn't it also the first time that cities which were eligible when the selection process began became ones that were expected to be ineligible when the award was made?
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Not explicitly ineligible.

It depends how widely you think 'potential candidates' should be defined. There's a reasonable argument (at least from some) that Scotland should be considered as one.:)
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Australia has criticised the UK's post-Brexit trade plans to split quotas of food imports from around the world.

Australian trade minister Steven Ciobo said it would impose unacceptable restrictions on their exports.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42121442
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I don't understand what the issue is here. Is the UK seriously demanding a cut of EU quotas despite the fact it won't be in the EU and can therefore import as much stuff as they like?
 
Wildy said:
I don't understand what the issue is here. Is the UK seriously demanding a cut of EU quotas despite the fact it won't be in the EU and can therefore import as much stuff as they like?
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No, that's not the issue. The EU 28 has an agreement with Australia that it can sell for example 1000 tons of lamb al reduced or no tariffs. They can sell this all in the UK market if they wish... or to any other country in the EU if necessary. The EU and the UK are proposing to split this quota. As an example, 100 tons for the UK and 900 for the EU27. Australia argues, not completely without merrit, that this places an undue burden on their exports.

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The government has refused to comment on a leaked report branding its approach to Brexit as "chaotic".
The internal Irish government paper, obtained by RTÉ, documents EU figures' scathing assessments of cabinet members such as Brexit Secretary David Davis.
A Czech minister is quoted as describing Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson as "unimpressive".
The minister also warns of "political confusion" about the UK Government's approach to leaving the EU.

It claims that Brexit was barely mentioned during a meeting on 23 October between Mr Davis and French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian and French Minister for European Affairs Nathalie Loiseau - something which was viewed as a wasted opportunity.

"Mr Davis hardly mentioned Brexit at all during the meeting, much to French surprise, focusing instead on foreign policy issues," the paper states.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42098158
 
quadraginta said:
Isn't it also the first time that cities which were eligible when the selection process began became ones that were expected to be ineligible when the award was made?
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Yes, so a decision had to be made that was not covered by any existing rule.
 
GnaGnaMan said:
And yet you thought it perfectly plausible that the commission would change the rules of some largely symbolic feel-good project specifically just to exclude the UK. That's not the behavior that I'd expect from a professional body; especially not one that is so insistent on its rules as the EU currently.
I read the british articles online and can see how one could come away believing what you did.
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Whereas what happend was a decison was made outwith any existing rule (as there was no rules about entries where a country then votes to leave) to throw out the British entries.

I was not unreasonable to think that the organisation made its decision backed up by a rule, whether existing or newly created.
 
People who get their main news from the Daily Mail and the Mail on Sunday must be feeling confused.

Tge former is still trying to put a positive spin on Brexit, whilst the latter is not. Today's headline was about a Russian backer of Gove and Johnson's hardline Brexit stance.
 
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Nessie said:
Whereas what happend was a decison was made outwith any existing rule (as there was no rules about entries where a country then votes to leave) to throw out the British entries.

I was not unreasonable to think that the organisation made its decision backed up by a rule, whether existing or newly created.
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What you take to be reasonable has lead you to a false conclusion. That is evidence that you should reevaluate your standards of reasonableness.
I think your standards of reasonableness have been distorted by the alt reality of the british press.
 
Nessie said:
The issue is that rather than trying to keep the UK involved, it is being told it cannot take part, which is costing some cities, such as Leeds, a good deal of money. Dundee had not spent much money, but a lot of volunteer time has been to nothing (based on a Radio 2 interview a couple of days ago).
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In fairness, though, that money and/or effort never ensured actually winning. I would think, though, that those cities could re-purpose their bids for the existing UK City of Culture. It's really just like Commonwealth cities pitching for both the Commonwealth and Olympic Games, which I'm pretty sure has happened.
 
Nessie said:
The Radio 2 article had two people from some of the cities in question who made it clear they had been allowed to submit bids, which went in before Brexit and they had had no warning they could be excluded until it actually happened. When asked why they did not check, the unfortunate answer was they had, but with the UK branch of the City of Culture organisation, not Brussels.
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D'oh!
 
Craig B said:
The Sun gives us its assessment of the Taoiseach of the Republic of Ireland.
UK newspaper says ‘naive, young’ Varadkar should ‘shut gob’ on Brexit​
, the Irish Times tells us. Will young Varadkar now obediently shut his gob and stop asking hard questions about the Border, I wonder?.
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Nope.
 
Strawberry said:
Yes we will, and if the EU stabs us in the back, we'll also see whether or not the Irish government are capable of standing up for Ireland's national interests.

Be careful what you wish for, because if the EU do to Ireland what the Brexit fans are hoping they will do, politics in Ireland could take a turn for the sinister.
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Which, somewhat ironically, could solve the whole Hard Border question.
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Strawberry said:
Yes we will, and if the EU stabs us in the back, we'll also see whether or not the Irish government are capable of standing up for Ireland's national interests.

Be careful what you wish for, because if the EU do to Ireland what the Brexit fans are hoping they will do, politics in Ireland could take a turn for the sinister.
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Given that Ireland is a member of the EU and has a veto, I don't think that the EU can't stab it in the back over the Brexit negotiations
 
jimbob said:
Given that Ireland is a member of the EU and has a veto, I don't think that the EU can't stab it in the back over the Brexit negotiations
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Even if it could... I don't believe it would. The EU isn't going to risk losing another member.
 
Okay so how stable would an England/Wales only UK be politically and economically?
 
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