it does, as you are simply entertaining the usual fantasies Brexiteers have about the power of the UK in negotiating with the EU.
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it does, as you are simply entertaining the usual fantasies Brexiteers have about the power of the UK in negotiating with the EU.
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The UK has no choice about that unless the UK is willing to welch on prior agreements.
If they do, future UK trade agreements with anyone are torpedoed. If they don't then they are paying it anyway.
Why do you cling to the aged idea that the UK is a super-power? It hasn't been such for a long time.
I was bleakly amused that the brexiteers pointed out that May's preferred option won't work.
They are right. It is just that their proposed solution would be utterly disastrous.
It's also a bit rich to say that it was the will of the people when I recall the current foreign secretary before the vote saying that of course the UK could stay in the customs union.
Um, it got to 50 billion because the EU wasn't accepting less...that was not something we were offering.
Nothing is agreed till everything is agreed. If we don't reach an acceptable agreement we could choose to withhold some or all of that money. And using the English language, it IS an offer.
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I'd be interested in a link to that, as the search I put in found this:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...uropean-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk
Which states:
"The UK is part of the EU Customs Union, which means the movement of goods between member states is not subject to customs duties." It doesn't state anything about staying or leaving the customs union.
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How would the UK be looked on by any potential trade partners if we walked back on or reversed a commitment?
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Having a 50 billion legal judgement against the UK government for failing to meet its financial obligations would be a seriously bad thing for the UK EU relationship. That does not give you any negotiating power.
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And how much is the ability to say travel to europe not to mention trade with them worth to the UK? It seems that having an open boarder with Ireland is a big deal, but you need the EU to agree to that. Be a shame if someone not just made it a closed border but didn't permit any trade or travel across it. Isn't it much easier to just pay your debts?
After all the UK isn't a Trump that everyone knows never pays their debts.
And? I thought you were one of those that believed the remain campaign told lies?
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That would be a lie. There is a nice chart here. if my linking skills work. We voted to leave the EU you can be in the EU and outside the customs union or outside the EU and in the customs union. Not in the chart but Gibraltar is in the EU but is outside the customs union.
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I know it hardly needs saying, but just in case anyone skips over this without noticing, Javid isn't an immigrant. He was born in Rochdale. His parents were immigrants.
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Mere facts.
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The leave campaign promised a custom's union. They did not use that terminology but they said we would get the same free trade benifits we do now for less money, because the German automobile industry would not allow anything that worsened their ability to sell to UK consumers.
More than that, they suggested any claim to the contrary was part of 'project fear'. I cannot parse Ceptimus' logic here, are Remainers supposed to be somehow happy that we were right about the fate of the customs union?
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To some it's the same thing.
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