Brexit: Now What? Part IV

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fagin said:
All that seems to point out is that Jacob Rees-Mogg is an idiot, which is common knowledge, and whoever writes the blog is no better.
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I don't think you've perused much of the blog. It covers hundreds of different BBC programs and reports, going back up to five years. There are two main contributors to the blog (plus all the comments of course): Craig seems a little more Leave biassed to me compared to sue.
 
The Don said:
Whether visas are required or not (i.e. a visa waiver programme is in place), post-Brexit EU arrivals would, I assume, not be automatically granted indefinite leave to remain (or whatever it's called these days). That being the case then EU arrivals would have to be recorded and those who outstay their welcome, tracked down and deported. An open Ireland/Northern Ireland border would be a significant loophole.
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The likely solution is identity/security checks on ferries from Belfast, and increased spot checks on residents within Northern Ireland.

Not a perfect solution, but probably a workable one for the UK.
 
Aber said:
The likely solution is identity/security checks on ferries from Belfast, and increased spot checks on residents within Northern Ireland.

Not a perfect solution, but probably a workable one for the UK.
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But not for the Unionists. British Citizens treated as second rate and needing passport and security checks before they can travel to other parts of the UK but free to travel to a foreign country?
 
Aber said:
The likely solution is identity/security checks on ferries from Belfast, and increased spot checks on residents within Northern Ireland.

Not a perfect solution, but probably a workable one for the UK.
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British citizens are going to be required to carry ID to travel within the UK now? And have spot checks carried out to check they are British enough?

Workable indeed.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
But not for the Unionists. British Citizens treated as second rate and needing passport and security checks before they can travel to other parts of the UK but free to travel to a foreign country?
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^ This.

Whilst the most logistically convenient ways of addressing this would either be Irish reunification or implementing a "hard" border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK, politically these would be nonstarters from the unionist perspective and the Conservatives are currently heavily reliant on the support of the DUP.

I'm sure that there are a host of other factors that would need to be considered before establishing an open border between Ireland and Northern Ireland including customs union status, adherence to various European laws if goods, services and livestock are to flow freely, and the movement of people and labour, but as I see it, the biggest political hurdle would be the hard border.
 
Aber said:
The likely solution is identity/security checks on ferries from Belfast, and increased spot checks on residents within Northern Ireland.

Not a perfect solution, but probably a workable one for the UK.
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My post was in response to your comment about Dover, I'm not sure where Northern Ireland comes into that.

Currently AFAIK we have passport control at Dover. In the future this will have to include recording the arrival/departure of EU citizens but this already happens for non-EU citizens.

Regardless of where they are taking place, any checks would have to happen before people get on ferries unless HMG is going to indemnify the ferry companies for the cost of deporting people.
 
The Don said:
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My post was in response to your comment about Dover, I'm not sure where Northern Ireland comes into that.

Currently AFAIK we have passport control at Dover. In the future this will have to include recording the arrival/departure of EU citizens but this already happens for non-EU citizens.

Regardless of where they are taking place, any checks would have to happen before people get on ferries unless HMG is going to indemnify the ferry companies for the cost of deporting people.
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That will not work either. The only reason that HMRC is allowed to have screening on french soil is because they are an EU member. Once Brexit happens, the french will have no further reason to accommodate that. They will take the simple view that they don't care since the illegals are leaving the EU. All the French have to do is wave them goodbye.
 
The Don said:
:confused:

My post was in response to your comment about Dover, I'm not sure where Northern Ireland comes into that.

Currently AFAIK we have passport control at Dover. In the future this will have to include recording the arrival/departure of EU citizens but this already happens for non-EU citizens.

Regardless of where they are taking place, any checks would have to happen before people get on ferries unless HMG is going to indemnify the ferry companies for the cost of deporting people.
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Why - wouldn't it be like the airlines?
 
Darat said:
If that is your evidence then my statement you made it up remains true.
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I don't understand your "logic"

I present evidence - note: 'evidence' is not the same as 'proof' and you then repeat your assertion?

Critical thinking at its worst.
 
Darat said:
Why - wouldn't it be like the airlines?
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....who perform a check before you get on the plane IIRC.

They don't do a full immigration check but there are many stories about people being refused at check-in even though their papers are in order because the airlines are very conservative about who they'll let on board (so they don't have to bear the cost of flying them back).

It's not impossible for the ferry companies to do the same thing, indeed that's what I think they'll have, airline-style check in.
 
The Don said:
....who perform a check before you get on the plane IIRC.

They don't do a full immigration check but there are many stories about people being refused at check-in even though their papers are in order because the airlines are very conservative about who they'll let on board (so they don't have to bear the cost of flying them back).

It's not impossible for the ferry companies to do the same thing, indeed that's what I think they'll have, airline-style check in.
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IME the ferries (and Eurostar) have exported borders. To go from Dover to Calais, you first go through both British and French passport controls. And the same going the other way.

The difficulty is not with passport checks though.

The difficulty is with customs checks. We can't just wave through freight and cargo from the EU unless we do the same with frieght and cargo arriving from everywhere.

To do so would be a violation of WTO trading terms.
 
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