How very disagreeable that is, but unspecific as a response.
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From the Torygraph
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world...with-her-hat/ar-BBCZPMx?li=AAgfYrC&ocid=wispr
H'Madge predicts mass defection of EU members to below the original 6 Commoner Marketeers
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world...with-her-hat/ar-BBCZPMx?li=AAgfYrC&ocid=wispr
H'Madge predicts mass defection of EU members to below the original 6 Commoner Marketeers
And after the NHS another group sounds the alarm about potential labour shortages and big prices rises as a consequence:
Fruit and veg farmers facing migrant labour shortages
And as to why they don't just replace them with UK workers:
Fruit and veg farmers facing migrant labour shortages
And as to why they don't just replace them with UK workers:
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The reality of Brexit begins to dawn.
angrysoba
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Dr Pangloss: This will be good for children in their holidays.
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Okay, so PM May has said that EU citizens who arrive between now and some point in the future before Brexit is finalized will be able to gain the rights of British citizens.
Well, I expect this is about as good a commitment as can be given, though it now seems strange that no clarification has been given until now. The previous rationale was that it was a bargaining chip that she didn't want to reveal. Is there any reason why this was held back until now?
My own suspicion is that she didn't want to give the UKIPs and country Conservatives some kind of reason to go mental about a happy hour dash to the U.K. by the Slavic hordes, the blacks, the Irish and the poofs.
Please discuss.
Well, I expect this is about as good a commitment as can be given, though it now seems strange that no clarification has been given until now. The previous rationale was that it was a bargaining chip that she didn't want to reveal. Is there any reason why this was held back until now?
My own suspicion is that she didn't want to give the UKIPs and country Conservatives some kind of reason to go mental about a happy hour dash to the U.K. by the Slavic hordes, the blacks, the Irish and the poofs.
Please discuss.
Song I remember from childhood
Wha saw the tattie howkers,
Wha saw them gang awa'?
Wha saw the tattie howkers,
Marching through the Broomielaw?
Some o' them had bits an' stockings,
Some o' them had nane at a',
Some o' them had umberellas
Fur tae keep the rain awa'
So the tattie howkers will indeed "gang awa'" post Brexit.Wha saw them gang awa'?
Wha saw the tattie howkers,
Marching through the Broomielaw?
Some o' them had bits an' stockings,
Some o' them had nane at a',
Some o' them had umberellas
Fur tae keep the rain awa'
This was being pointed out (quite a lot) before the vote last year.
It was one of the things I kept referring to.
It's hard to see how Brexit has changed the labour market for seasonal agricultural workers, when absolutely nothing whatever has changed yet. Labour markets are subject to a number of influences, and I'd like to see an expert analysis of why things are tighter in the Fens this year before assigning any blame to something that hasn't happened yet.
Perception of future has changed, which influences the actions of people today.
It has all to do with our ability to predict the effect our present action or events will have on the future. Supporters of Brexit seem be quite deficient in this ability.
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Forgive me, but how does "perception of the future" influence a seasonal agricultural worker's decision to come or not come to Britain for a couple of months now?
Apparently the ability of the worker to come again a few years in the future is a sufficiently important consideration to at least cause concern among agricultural businesses.
They'll reduce or hold off investments first. A little while later, problems will explode.
http://www.fruitnet.com/fpj/article/172398/farmer-confidence-falls-as-brexit-uncertainty-looms
McHrozni
The exchange rate.
For seasonal workers from, say, Poland the current rate (in Euros) is quite a bit less than it was beginning of June last year.
I'm aware of that, but it doesn't alter the point I made. How is recruitment now, this year, affected by something which hasn't happened yet?
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Not to mention the general feeling of being unwanted and stories of xenophobia and abuse.
Of course nothing has actually changed yet in the rules. Wait till it does.
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The 14% fall in the Pound against the Euro may well have had an effect. From the 2016 NFU Labour Provider Survey:
“This is the first year since 2008, just before the SAWS work card allocation was increased that we have failed to fill the seasonal labour requirements of some of our growers due to a shortage of labour. This has only revealed itself since the result of the referendum. The media in Europe is reporting the outcome of the referendum quite negatively, including some of the xenophobic attacks, and there is a feeling that workers will not be made welcome compared to other countries. This is affecting initial levels of interest. The value of the pound will inevitably have some effect as other countries start to look more financially attractive than they were before compared to the UK”.
Link to pdf.
“This is the first year since 2008, just before the SAWS work card allocation was increased that we have failed to fill the seasonal labour requirements of some of our growers due to a shortage of labour. This has only revealed itself since the result of the referendum. The media in Europe is reporting the outcome of the referendum quite negatively, including some of the xenophobic attacks, and there is a feeling that workers will not be made welcome compared to other countries. This is affecting initial levels of interest. The value of the pound will inevitably have some effect as other countries start to look more financially attractive than they were before compared to the UK”.
Link to pdf.
CNN posted a lovely infographic of something the British government barely mentioned thus far.
UK relied on EU for external trade and cooperation treaties for decades. Once out of EU the treaties will no longer apply. UK needs to figure out which ones it needs and which ones it can do away with and renegotiate them. There are over 600 treaties with 150 states in total, I guesstimate UK needs about 100-150 of them.
Given that the country was forced to import negotiators from New Zealand for Brexit, I foresee a series of miserable failures on this front.
http://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/economy/brexit-treaties/
McHrozni
UK relied on EU for external trade and cooperation treaties for decades. Once out of EU the treaties will no longer apply. UK needs to figure out which ones it needs and which ones it can do away with and renegotiate them. There are over 600 treaties with 150 states in total, I guesstimate UK needs about 100-150 of them.
Given that the country was forced to import negotiators from New Zealand for Brexit, I foresee a series of miserable failures on this front.
http://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/economy/brexit-treaties/
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Because the people who voted for it did it for bad reasons and those continue to be the case.
Seriously it remains to be about Muslims, Syrian refugees and taking back control from the foreigners.
I find it alarming that new downsides are uncovered on an almost daily basis, whereas the upsides are still the vague few promises of a "Global Britain", which remain without substance.
Any Brit should too. It seems that Brexit will create an isolated Britain, first and foremost. Even small advantages are at best decades away.
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