Brexit: Now What? Part III

[dudalb]

Ireland should be reunited. The current situation is a fudge due to history and politics. In the long run, geography trumps politics.

Brexit and the nonsense about soft and hard borders will hopefully bring the uniting forward. Let's hope it will happen peacefully.

Boy, will you be surprised when Scotland takes a hike.......

 

[CapelDodger]

I expect that it will fail when it leaves, but I would love to be wrong, and for all your guesses to be right.

What would life be without surprises? Very boring.

The last couple of years leave me feeling one can have too many of them, but I doubt many long lives have maintained a happy medium throughout.

 

[CapelDodger]

Ireland should be reunited. The current situation is a fudge due to history and politics. In the long run, geography trumps politics.

Brexit and the nonsense about soft and hard borders will hopefully bring the uniting forward. Let's hope it will happen peacefully.

History trumps geography in politics, and peace is politics by other means. The geography of Ireland hasn't changed since the 1920's and isn't about to. "Peacefully" will be relative.

Here we have a surprise result from the Referendum : the Union flag-waving political contingent that has kept Northern Ireland British against all reason now wants shot of it as a worthless anachronism and impediment to their grand scheme. As someone who grew up with the Troubles I have to say I did not see that coming.

 

[CapelDodger]

Though it looks like you'll end up with a disunited Ireland with a hard border instead

At least in the medium term

If ceptimus's take on it is anything to go by Ireland can have Northern Ireland if it wants it, and I doubt we'd see a massive Protestant reaction against it. The NI border is undoubtedly the most intractible problem the Leavers are faced with, and the Orange Order must already be noticing a change in attitude from the mainland. I doubt ceptimus is unique : things can be said here that might not be said in the halls of power.

I reckon Farage should get his friend Trump to intercede and ensure that Ireland is united peacefully.

 

[CapelDodger]

I may read this wrong, but shouldn't Leave campaign already have worked this out and not as you suggest be relying on the Remain camp to help work out the solution?

Worth repeating. We've been hearing it from Day One, of course.

 

[CapelDodger]

What you're saying is that all those that voted to leave saw through the many, many lies and fabrications perpetrated by the leave campaign and chose to vote to leave because they knew it would be better anyway?

"Better Anyway"

Now that's what I call a platform to run on. When the World Presidency comes up I'm going to steal it for my campaign.

Don't worry. there'll be a place for you on my team, and you can be Ambassador to a planet of your choice - with a commensurate salary and expense account.

 

[CapelDodger]

And what is the "best Brexit outcome for the UK"?

Speaking for myself, getting shot of Northern Ireland would be a positive.

And how realistic do you consider that outcome to be?

Surprisingly so.

(As for other potential positives, I've got nothing.)

 

[CapelDodger]

Most political campaigns are. The remain campaign was equally riddled with lies - I would say remain told more lies than leave. If you wish we can go over them one by one and I'll trade you one remain lie for each leave lie you can detail.

£350m a week to Europe that could go to the NHS.

 

[asydhouse]

Most political campaigns are. The remain campaign was equally riddled with lies - I would say remain told more lies than leave. If you wish we can go over them one by one and I'll trade you one remain lie for each leave lie you can detail.
But that won't get us anywhere. The way to move forward now is for remain campaigners to accept that they've lost the opportunity to remain and engage in working out the best way forward, accepting that we're leaving.

I just don't believe anything you say at this point. See how that works?

No you don't because you lie to yourself.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

£350m a week to Europe that could go to the NHS.

Leaving the EU means we can hire more Australians.

We need to leave the EU to stop the Turks coming in

We need to leave the EU to stop the Syrians coming in

We have no control on immigration

We have open borders

How many should we stop at here?

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Here we have a surprise result from the Referendum : the Union flag-waving political contingent that has kept Northern Ireland British against all reason now wants shot of it as a worthless anachronism and impediment to their grand scheme. As someone who grew up with the Troubles I have to say I did not see that coming.

Oh I think it's long been obvious that the Little Englanders have a strange relationship with the Union. They want to maintain it while simultaneously having nothing but disdain for the people in those countries. That they would be thrown under the boss when it suits is no surprise.

That their mindless pursuit of a mythical England that has never existed may destroy their precious United Kingdom would be the ultimate irony.

 

[The Don]

Looks like inflation is on its way up:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38966692

UK inflation as measured by CPI rises to 1.8% in January, up from 1.6% the month before

Hooray for 70's style stagflation


edited to add...

Looks like SMMT members may be the first to feel the pinch

Average car prices have risen by 5.2% since the Brexit vote in June 2016, according to industry research.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38957710

 

[Tolls]

Oh, but I thought all those economists were not to be trusted.
The BBC is clearly lying then.

 

[ceptimus]

£350m a week to Europe that could go to the NHS.

George Osborne has warned he would be forced to introduce an emergency Budget with tax hikes and spending cuts if the UK votes to leave the European Union.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/eu...warn-emergency

 

[ceptimus]

Leaving the EU means we can hire more Australians.

We need to leave the EU to stop the Turks coming in

We need to leave the EU to stop the Syrians coming in

We have no control on immigration

We have open borders

How many should we stop at here?

One at a time please.

 

[ceptimus]

Looks like inflation is on its way up:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38966692

It's almost reached the official Bank of England target rate of 2%

It means the Governor of the Bank of England won't have to keep writing the letters to the Chancellor apologising for failing to meet the target and explaining what he's going to do about it. Or did they abandon that rule because they failed for so long it was getting embarrassing?

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetarypolicy/Documents/pdf/cpiletter120215.pdf

 

[The Don]

George Osborne has warned he would be forced to introduce an emergency Budget with tax hikes and spending cuts if the UK votes to leave the European Union.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/eu...warn-emergency

The key is here:

The Chancellor argued the Treasury would be forced to unveil a Budget post the vote on 23 June in order to make up for the £30bn "black hole" created by leaving the EU.

This would be comprised of £15bn of tax rises and £15bn of spending cuts, Mr Osborne will say.

Instead his successor has chosen to abandon any concept of attempting to reduce the deficit and the £30bn black hole will simply not be plugged.

 

[ceptimus]

Doesn't alter the fact that he was lying.

 

[The Don]

Doesn't alter the fact that he was lying.

Only insofar as his successor chose to do something completely different with regard to the "black hole".

The key fact, that Brexit would blow a hole in the UK finances has been confirmed.

 

[Lothian]

Today's inflation rise appears to be just the start.
source BBC


Analysis: Simon Gompertz, personal finance reporter
A red light is flashing. It's been set off by a jump in what our manufacturers are having to pay for imported raw materials.
They face the same fuel price hike as motorists. Metals have gone up, and foodstuffs as well.
Companies aren't passing on the full 20.5% increase yet. They have only put their own prices up by 3.5% on average.