Brexit: Now What? Part III

[McHrozni]

A news broadcast yesterday gave me a real WTF moment yesterday. Two clips of Mrs May were played where she stated (paraphrased):-
1. “Brexit mean that Parliament will scrutinise any law made – they won’t be enforced on us by faceless hordes of civil servants”
2. “The Repeal Bill will mean that any law could be repeal without having to involve Parliament in the decision”

The first one is meaningless, the second one invokes the memory of that great paragon of legal justice and rule of law, Carl Schmidt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Schmitt

McHrozni

 

[3point14]

Answering such questions has been easy since 1998.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-what-theresa-may-really-thinks-about-brexit

McHrozni

Indeed. I forget what it was like to live in a world without knowledge right at our fingertips.


It's all beyond mental now. Who's driving this thing? Where's the money? any sensible parliament, one with actual stones, would have come back to the people by now with 'it's a total cluster, we're not doing it'.

The more it's revealed to be a disaster, the more that disaster is unacknowledged by those in power and the more they try to suppress publicising the disaster, the more I start thinking in weird conspiracy. Does Vlad hav pictures of May and a.n. other in a comprimising situation? Or has the assembled throng of parliament stuck their not inconsiderable wealth on an 'under' bet on the UK economy?


More and more I ask 'What the **** is going on' and less and less do I understand any of it.


Can we have a march? I'd actually go.

 

[McHrozni]

Indeed. I forget what it was like to live in a world without knowledge right at our fingertips.


It's all beyond mental now. Who's driving this thing? Where's the money? any sensible parliament, one with actual stones, would have come back to the people by now with 'it's a total cluster, we're not doing it'.

The more it's revealed to be a disaster, the more that disaster is unacknowledged by those in power and the more they try to suppress publicising the disaster, the more I start thinking in weird conspiracy. Does Vlad hav pictures of May and a.n. other in a comprimising situation? Or has the assembled throng of parliament stuck their not inconsiderable wealth on an 'under' bet on the UK economy?


More and more I ask 'What the **** is going on' and less and less do I understand any of it.


Can we have a march? I'd actually go.

Well, I've been saying since last summer that this stinks of a different conspiracy, one to destroy all things Brexit, by Theresa May & co. By making Brexit as horrible as possible, taking all the wrong decisions, the Brexit movement would be abandoned by the key intellectual figures permanently. Add in low-intelligence soundbites and blatant attempts at power grabs which skirt the border between democracy and tyranny, the movement would loose legitimacy and be destroyed, maybe for all eternity, maybe for a generation.

The plan didn't work thus far. A major embarrassment of all things Brexit in the parliament was averted in no small part by an impressive display of incompetence by the Labour party, Brits have turned out to be far more gullible than anyone ever imagined and polls show Scotts slightly favor UK over EU if they're forced to chose between one or the other, so there is no immediate danger of Scottish secession and it looks avoidable even with a diamond-hard Brexit, plus little Engenders seem willing to let go of Scotland, just to get out of EU.

I consider the hypothesis implausible, but not impossible at this time.

McHrozni

 

[Arcade22]

The defence secretary, Sir Michael Fallon, has emphasised the extent to which he believes the UK’s defence role lies outside the European Union.

In a press release ahead of a meeting with his US counterpart James Mattis in London on Friday morning, Fallon put a post-Brexit spin on Britain’s defence policy. The Ministry of Defence said that Fallon, a confirmed Eurosceptic, would set out in the meeting ways in which the UK hoped to step up its role globally after the triggering of Brexit on Wednesday.

Fallon’s statement said: “Our defence relationship with the US is unprecedented in its depth and scope. As we leave the EU, our bilateral relationships matter more than ever, so we’ll be enhancing our cooperation and investing more in our joint F-35 fast jet programme.”

The mainly US-built F-35 is one of the costliest defence projects in history. It has had a troubled development history and is well over budget. But Fallon’s commitment is meant to reflect the continuing importance of the US-UK alliance.

The MoD, in the statement, made a point of diminishing the role of the EU in defence. It said: “When Britain leaves the EU, around 80% of Nato defence spending will be non-EU, and three out of the four countries leading Nato’s s enhanced forward presence in eastern Europe [a force deployed to deter Russia] will be non-EU members.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-eu-michael-fallon-nato-james-mattis-meeting

The UK trades dependence on the EU for dependence on the USA instead. So much for being a free and independent great power when they need to be subservient towards someone else.

 

[Greebo]

The first one is meaningless, the second one invokes the memory of that great paragon of legal justice and rule of law, Carl Schmidt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Schmitt

McHrozni

Much spoken about Brexit is meaningless. What, for example is a "red, white and blue Brexit", or even what does "Brexit means Brexit" supposed to mean?

 

[Tolls]

Much spoken about Brexit is meaningless. What, for example is a "red, white and blue Brexit", or even what does "Brexit means Brexit" supposed to mean?

Oh that's easy.
They both mean "we don't have a clue what we're doing, but we don't want to say that."

 

[Craig B]

No, of course not. It's something Islam teaches and some Muslims follow those teachings. The difference between Ukraine and Syria is that Ukraine minus Crimea has a negligible number of Muslims, plus the small number it does have are less likely to follow those teachings for one reason or another.

If you want to keep this from turning into a yet another debate about Islam you should stop asking questions like these. It's not like you didn't know what I was going to say.

McHrozni

The Muslim Tatars of Crimea expelled the Russians from that region in Soviet times too ... or was it the other way round?

 

[The Don]

Another industry is getting cold feet over Brexit:

Some 40% of British gaming companies say they are considering relocating some or all of their business because of Brexit.

Companies cited losing access to talent and funding as major risks when Britain leaves the bloc.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39443169

The gaming industry is comparatively small but it's yet another indication that firms are concerned that post-Brexit Britain won't be as good a place to do business.

I'm still anxiously waiting for news of the great new opportunities that'll be coming our way as a result of Brexit, but I'm not seeing any so far

 

[McHrozni]

Much spoken about Brexit is meaningless. What, for example is a "red, white and blue Brexit", or even what does "Brexit means Brexit" supposed to mean?

Presumably that yellow and green Brexits are not on the plan, and that Brexit doesn't mean a pony

McHrozni

 

[jimbob]

Over on Badscience "facefirst" made the following comment:

Another theme alert!

If you want to upset a Brexiteer, just ask them a specific question on what they think will happen. Not what should happen, but what will. They go all...angry. It's weird, almost like they have no idea what they've done or why they did it.

And by 'weird' I mean 'terrifying'.

ETA: Where is Ceptimus?

 

[The Don]

Predictably, Spain are using Brexit to get some leverage over Gibraltar:

A draft document on the EU's Brexit strategy said no agreement on the EU's future relationship with the UK would apply to Gibraltar without the consent of Spain, giving it a potential veto.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39453535

 

[Darat]

Out of curiosity I've had a look through some of my old client stuff and I know of 8 companies that at least in part require funds from the EU, presumably they will get their funds from the 350 million going forward?

 

[Darat]

Predictably, Spain are using Brexit to get some leverage over Gibraltar:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39453535

But this is going to be a slam dunk we've got the EU over a barrel!

 

[Aepervius]

But this is going to be a slam dunk we've got the EU over a barrel!

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/over_a_barrel

Yes.... But be fair to them : they never mentioned who , over the barrel, is tied, and who is handling the paddle...

 

[Klimax]

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/over_a_barrel

Yes.... But be fair to them : they never mentioned who , over the barrel, is tied, and who is handling the paddle...

Don't worry, that'll be soon irrelevant after few more May's appearances. Then it'll be something more concrete...

 

[jimbob]

From Badscience

Anecdata from me. Been to Brussels to discuss sciencey things a few times in the last few months. Also in regular contact with UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office, Department of Health and Department for International Development. I take the opportunity, during coffee breaks and the like, to ask questions.
The UK civil servants all think David Davis is worryingly out of his depth. No idea at all with how to develop a strategy for this, and so he hasn't (hence the Q&A a little while back where he admitted he hasn't bothered to look at this, that and the other). Occasionally sends out instructions for what we wants done and they usually don't make much sense, but is otherwise described as being 'blown along by the Daily Express wind'.
The European Commission people I have spoken to suggest the negotiating teams have been quietly soliciting the view of each member nations civil servants and equivalents in a rather constructive and pragmatic manner. The more I see of the EU at close-ish quarters, it functions really rather well. It's a massive behemoth, and as such hard to work out and there's so many different voices to try and keep happy. But it's really really good at governance.
David Davis is not good at governance.

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

YouGov apparently did a poll on what Brexiteers want

So so long as Theresa delivers a return for hanging and blue passports, she's good.

If she can return to selling goods in pounds and ounces she can be PM for life.

 

[jimbob]

YouGov apparently did a poll on what Brexiteers want

So so long as Theresa delivers a return for hanging and blue passports, she's good.

If she can return to selling goods in pounds and ounces she can be PM for life.

9% want pre-decimal currency

 

[Garrison]

YouGov apparently did a poll on what Brexiteers want

So so long as Theresa delivers a return for hanging and blue passports, she's good.

If she can return to selling goods in pounds and ounces she can be PM for life.

So this says something about the age and or stupidity of Brexit supporters. The death penalty was abolished long before we joined the EU and the ban on smoking in pubs wasn't a EU regulation either. Incandescent light bulbs would push up energy bills, assuming you can find anyone still making them.
and converting to 'old money' will confuse anyone under the age of 60.

But blue passports, sure why not? totally worth tanking the economy for that...

 

[Aepervius]

9% want pre-decimal currency

50% want death penalty 40% want corporal punishment in school which right there tells you a lot about their mentality and it is probably useless to tell them that both have been conclusively shown to either be useless or downright counter productive.