ddt
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You long back to the days of the first Jacobite rebellion?
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ddt
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Penny wise, pound foolish? You gripe over some loose change costs of a referendum, but you're OK with the economic disaster of a Brexit?
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Jesus, yes.
If we're going to leave, let's at least leave with a PM we elected rather than the only one dumb enough to accept the poisoned chalice.
Hypocritical is a tad mild here. I'd start with treasonous and work from there.
McHrozni
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Andy_Ross
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I don’t agree, I voted remain but it's too far aling to stop now.
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Did I read correctly that the lib dems couldnt even organise their nine mps to vote against? 2 voted for it? Our great last hope indeed. Worthless.
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asydhouse
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By your logic, they will also support his coming war with China.
Do you really want to get on that ship?
We should tell Trump to **** off. The majority of Americans would dearly love to see him and his bs thrown out of office, according to the number of votes cast. Calling an orang-utan the President does not mean we should become serfs to his vanity. He's an idiot with no imagination, and we are all going to be dragged down with him. Nuclear war is a real possibility. So said one of his gang.
But here you are, defending him with as much credulity as your daft interpretation of the Brexit vote. I hope you have enough self-awareness to realise how wrong you were at some point in the future. But I doubt it, from the inanity of your arguments in this thread, which I am sick of seeing after months of your twisted logic.
Depressingly, that might not be the case.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...rt-donald-trumps-immigration-ban-oppose-poll/
Note that not all of those who disagree with his policies necessarily want to have him thrown out of the office.
McHrozni
So now the government swiftly moves into "Titanic deck seating logistics focus group" mode.
By any reasonable standards I'm very comfortably off and so I should be pretty well placed to weather the Brexit storm. My employees are not so lucky but by the directors not taking dividends this we've built up sufficient capital in the business to be able to give each of them 6 months salary in severance should we have to close the doors (we've already had a couple of smaller long-running European contracts not renewed specifically because of concerns over Brexit - they've gone to a German competitor).
I say that I *should* be OK. Of course the thing that could change all of that is if, post Brexit, the UK economy goes into 70's style meltdown and "stagflation" as the collapsing value of the pound and import tariffs send inflation into double-digits whilst rising local costs and disadvantageous trade deals mean that UK exports aren't any more competitive (and indeed those to the EU - nearly 50% of exports - are less so) resulting in double-digit drops in GDP, even measured in local currency.
If that happens, a seven-figure nest egg will be very rapidly eroded in value. I'm not suggesting that we'll see post-war Hungary or recent Zimbabwe levels of inflation where savings are worthless but it wouldn't take long with inflation in the 10%-25% for a comfortable retirement to become decidedly precarious, not least because of the pressure to reduce pensions and the defunding of the NHS which will place a greater emphasis on private healthcare (another desirable outcome for those Conservatives who want U.S. healthcare companies to make a killing from the NHS
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In decades time, when I'm long gone, it wouldn't be surprising to see academics pointing to the actions of the last few months as the point at which the process by which UK became the first (and at the time only) country that started off as a developed nation and through the disasterous policies of its government became a developing nation with a developing nation's problems of poverty, hunger, low life expectancy any everythin else
I could be over-pessimistic but sadly what I've opined on the Brexit and Trump situation to date, even though Cassandra-like, has turned out to be optimistic
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By any reasonable standards I'm very comfortably off and so I should be pretty well placed to weather the Brexit storm. My employees are not so lucky but by the directors not taking dividends this we've built up sufficient capital in the business to be able to give each of them 6 months salary in severance should we have to close the doors (we've already had a couple of smaller long-running European contracts not renewed specifically because of concerns over Brexit - they've gone to a German competitor).
I say that I *should* be OK. Of course the thing that could change all of that is if, post Brexit, the UK economy goes into 70's style meltdown and "stagflation" as the collapsing value of the pound and import tariffs send inflation into double-digits whilst rising local costs and disadvantageous trade deals mean that UK exports aren't any more competitive (and indeed those to the EU - nearly 50% of exports - are less so) resulting in double-digit drops in GDP, even measured in local currency.
If that happens, a seven-figure nest egg will be very rapidly eroded in value. I'm not suggesting that we'll see post-war Hungary or recent Zimbabwe levels of inflation where savings are worthless but it wouldn't take long with inflation in the 10%-25% for a comfortable retirement to become decidedly precarious, not least because of the pressure to reduce pensions and the defunding of the NHS which will place a greater emphasis on private healthcare (another desirable outcome for those Conservatives who want U.S. healthcare companies to make a killing from the NHS
).In decades time, when I'm long gone, it wouldn't be surprising to see academics pointing to the actions of the last few months as the point at which the process by which UK became the first (and at the time only) country that started off as a developed nation and through the disasterous policies of its government became a developing nation with a developing nation's problems of poverty, hunger, low life expectancy any everythin else
I could be over-pessimistic but sadly what I've opined on the Brexit and Trump situation to date, even though Cassandra-like, has turned out to be optimistic
.asydhouse
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Polls schmolls. I wouldn't trust anything in the Torygraph, let alone a poll... where was it taken? The national poll, otherwise called an election, had a majority of people of three million who rejected him.
Just as with Brexshit, it was a minority taking us all for a ride. Talk about a con job! We've all been had!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ty-us-voters-immigration-latest-a7553961.html
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...porary_ban_on_newcomers_from_terrorist_havens
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/...e-big-incentive-to-stick-with-trump.html?_r=0
Media have a bone to pick with Trump, so they paint him as deeply unpopular and whatnot. I share their sentiment, but most are greatly overblowing how unpopular he actually is. The country is split, it has been for a while, and those opposing him are currently much louder than those who oppose him. That said, he isn't nearly as unpopular as reports on CNN and many other media outlets would lead you to believe. I truly hope he isn't as evil either.
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So now the government swiftly moves into "Titanic deck seating logistics focus group" mode.
By any reasonable standards I'm very comfortably off and so I should be pretty well placed to weather the Brexit storm. My employees are not so lucky but by the directors not taking dividends this we've built up sufficient capital in the business to be able to give each of them 6 months salary in severance should we have to close the doors (we've already had a couple of smaller long-running European contracts not renewed specifically because of concerns over Brexit - they've gone to a German competitor).
I say that I *should* be OK. Of course the thing that could change all of that is if, post Brexit, the UK economy goes into 70's style meltdown and "stagflation" as the collapsing value of the pound and import tariffs send inflation into double-digits whilst rising local costs and disadvantageous trade deals mean that UK exports aren't any more competitive (and indeed those to the EU - nearly 50% of exports - are less so) resulting in double-digit drops in GDP, even measured in local currency.
If that happens, a seven-figure nest egg will be very rapidly eroded in value. I'm not suggesting that we'll see post-war Hungary or recent Zimbabwe levels of inflation where savings are worthless but it wouldn't take long with inflation in the 10%-25% for a comfortable retirement to become decidedly precarious, not least because of the pressure to reduce pensions and the defunding of the NHS which will place a greater emphasis on private healthcare (another desirable outcome for those Conservatives who want U.S. healthcare companies to make a killing from the NHS
In decades time, when I'm long gone, it wouldn't be surprising to see academics pointing to the actions of the last few months as the point at which the process by which UK became the first (and at the time only) country that started off as a developed nation and through the disasterous policies of its government became a developing nation with a developing nation's problems of poverty, hunger, low life expectancy any everythin else
I could be over-pessimistic but sadly what I've opined on the Brexit and Trump situation to date, even though Cassandra-like, has turned out to be optimistic
Can you try to move your business to a saner country? It should help. I'm sure UK nationals who already live in EU will be grandfathered one way or another.
McHrozni
Probably, but my family and friends are all here in the UK as are those of my employees. We don't want to have to become economic migrants though it may come to that.
It's also not a trivial process.
Maybe, maybe not - that's the problem. To have gone through all that expense and upheaval to be sent home would be galling.
If you're right you basically have a choice: become legal economic migrants now, or refugees later.
I can't say I have first-hand experience in either, but it seems to me that it is preferable to be a legal economic migrant.
You'd be moving your business too, right? You could apply for a visa and get it speedily approved even if it came to that. Western states typically don't mind foreigners that bring their jobs with them - especially if they're also white and Christian (or atheist).
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You must find it galling that opinion is relentlessly moving towards my position and away from yours. Try to relax and be positive. You'll eventually realize how wrong you've been up till now.
With permission to trigger Brexit, the government will publish the white paper soon:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38836906
The Labour Party is labouring (no pun intended) under the misapprehension that they will have some kind of say over the final deal:
Labour can table as many amendments as the please but IMO not a single one will even be seriously considered, much less passed. They will be hapless and helpless spectators as the diamond-hard Hard Brexit train careers relentlessly towards the buffers.
I have no idea what psychotropic substances but John McDonnell has been enjoying but his assertion that....
...is utterly delusional.
The Conservative MPs will quietly acquiesce tonanny the PM and will wave through the out-out-out deal that Theresa May and industrialists who want to turn the UK into a version of the Philippines just off the European mainland have been craving. The Labour Party will bicker with wiser heads suggesting that Brexit will not usher in the creation of a workers' paradise and the Corbynite wing wasting political capital fighting the political battles of the 1970's
For sure some (small) amendments may make it into the bill (but even then could be quietly dropped during negotiations - "So sorry about the workers' rights clause, just couldn't seem to make it stick") but we're heading for a Hard Brexit on WTO terms; disasterously lopsided trade deals with the U.S., China, India, Brazil, Australia and so on; and a recession which will make the 2008 crash look like a mere fender-bender by comparison.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38836906
The Labour Party is labouring (no pun intended) under the misapprehension that they will have some kind of say over the final deal:
Labour can table as many amendments as the please but IMO not a single one will even be seriously considered, much less passed. They will be hapless and helpless spectators as the diamond-hard Hard Brexit train careers relentlessly towards the buffers.
I have no idea what psychotropic substances but John McDonnell has been enjoying but his assertion that....
...is utterly delusional.
The Conservative MPs will quietly acquiesce to
For sure some (small) amendments may make it into the bill (but even then could be quietly dropped during negotiations - "So sorry about the workers' rights clause, just couldn't seem to make it stick") but we're heading for a Hard Brexit on WTO terms; disasterously lopsided trade deals with the U.S., China, India, Brazil, Australia and so on; and a recession which will make the 2008 crash look like a mere fender-bender by comparison
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