Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks...

[Amazer]

Oh almost certainly, and cackling wildly at the misfortune of his fellow Jews while drinking cognac at soirées, or so I read somewhere.

I've heard from many, many people that it wasn't cognac but the blood of young virgins... many, many people are saying that.

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[Strawberry]

I've heard from many, many people that it wasn't cognac but the blood of young virgins... many, many people are saying that.

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I remember reading that somewhere. The Deep State have removed all traces of it from google by now so don't ask me to prove it, but I definitely remember it.

 

[p0lka]

You're not thinking big enough. We've not proof he wasn't The Great Cthulu in disguise on a scouting outing before he brings about the end of the world.

Well he has never denied it.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

I agree with you on this, Lukraak_Sisser.

However, (in my opinion), if the EU finally understood it should be less greedy with the UK, then I think the current long-running crisis in EU-UK relations could perhaps be solved in a very satisfactory way, see https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/ (already posted).

If, in the EU, rich countries appear as losers and poor counties appear as winners, then the EU will be a magnet to all poor countries while the rich ones will perhaps flee away (including Germany, once it feels it has corrected its image problem). Perhaps, on this forum, you could use your "people's power" to defend such a viewpoint, but this is far from being the case, as far as I can judge.

The point is: if countries were people, they should all have a smile on their face, without some contries feeling they are being taken advantage of, and European leaders should ensure that.

Less greedy? The UK has been given pretty special treatment as long as it was part of the EU. Now that they decided to leave it turns out they cannot get their actual act together in two years time, demanding concessions that would be out of place for even most members, let alone a non-member, ignore a major international treaty THEY championed and just hope a full EU member disadvantages itself in their favour, and now that it is clear that they will most likely crash out without any form of deal the EU has given several one-way guarantees to ensure that the UK gets even more free time to deal with things, for far longer than they have to.
I'm sorry, but the greedy party is not the EU, its the brexit camp that is so devoid of contact with reality that they are willing to throw their entire country under the bus rather than accept the consequences of their actions.

 

[Dave Rogers]

I'm sorry, but the greedy party is not the EU, its the brexit camp that is so devoid of contact with reality that they are willing to throw their entire country under the bus rather than accept the consequences of their actions.

Yeah, that. The rest of us are really embarrassed, and we're really sorry, but there doesn't seem to be anything we can do to bring them to their senses.

Dave

 

[Delphic Oracle]

I have recently been made aware that not being ruthlessly exterminated by a hostile invading power that overran your country is a "privilege" that marks all of your progeny with eternal shame and should disqualify them from holding any kind of position of public trust.

Not being murdered by Nazis is basically the same as being an officer in the SS.

 

[Amazer]

I have recently been made aware that not being ruthlessly exterminated by a hostile invading power that overran your country is a "privilege" that marks all of your progeny with eternal shame and should disqualify them from holding any kind of position of public trust.

Not being murdered by Nazis is basically the same as being an officer in the SS.

Well... that puts a stop to my plans for a career in politics.

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[Archie Gemmill Goal]

I have recently been made aware that not being ruthlessly exterminated by a hostile invading power that overran your country is a "privilege" that marks all of your progeny with eternal shame and should disqualify them from holding any kind of position of public trust.

Not being murdered by Nazis is basically the same as being an officer in the SS.

I'm glad I was murdered by the Nazis then. Gives me the right to get on my high horse.

I have to laugh at the idea of the right wing press throwing dirt at someone for their dad being a 'nazi sympathiser' mind you...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail#Support_of_fascism

 

[Michel H]

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Germany will not leave the EU because it feels it is paying too much. It will simply negotiate lower payments. ...

Hm I am not sure it is always easy to "negotiate lower payments" with the EU. There are actually rules, treaties and so on. A country cannot just say "Oh, it seems to me I am paying too much. So far, it has amused me to pay so much, but it doesn't amuse me any more, so I am going to negotiate a lesser payment". It is probably not so easy. For example, I think I saw on television that the British rebate was actually temporary, and that, had the UK decided to stay, it would have been required according to existing rules to pay (even?) more.

 

[catsmate]

The 52 percent who voted Leave in 2016 have apparently not been convinced.

Many have and have stated they'd vote differently. And many of the apathetic majority would also vote to remain in the EU.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

The Government have been editing their Brexit technical papers to remove the word 'unlikely' which was used to describe a no-deal scenario.

That's encouraging then!

https://www.thenational.scot/news/17312102.uk-government-caught-amending-brexit-documents/

 

[ohms]

Meanwhile the motor industry calls for 'No deal' to be taken off the table or risk "irreversible and severe damage".

https://www.smmt.co.uk/2018/12/auto...t-an-agreement-no-deal-must-be-off-the-table/

 

[Michel H]

The Government have been editing their Brexit technical papers to remove the word 'unlikely' which was used to describe a no-deal scenario.

That's encouraging then!

https://www.thenational.scot/news/17312102.uk-government-caught-amending-brexit-documents/

No, but there is talk about some "plan Bs": https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46631581 , which are perhaps a little more reassuring.

 

[Wudang]

No, but there is talk about some "plan Bs": https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46631581 , which are perhaps a little more reassuring.

More like "plan BS".

 

[GnaGnaMan]

Hm I am not sure it is always easy to "negotiate lower payments" with the EU.

Of course it isn't easy. I told you why.

A country cannot just say "Oh, it seems to me I am paying too much. So far, it has amused me to pay so much, but it doesn't amuse me any more, so I am going to negotiate a lesser payment". It is probably not so easy.

How do you think the UK got the rebate?

 

[Michel H]

More like "plan BS".

The coincidence of the two words is perhaps unfortunate, but these plans are by (normally) important people: ministers of the May government.

 

[Michel H]

Of course it isn't easy. I told you why.


How do you think the UK got the rebate?

Probably through negotiations, but such negotiations can be difficult and tough, and can sometimes fail. It is actually possible the UK (led at that time by David Cameron) should have negotiated a further rebate in 2016, right before the referendum (and made it permanent). Then, perhaps, the outcome of the referendum would have been 52 percent (or more) to remain, rather than 52 percent to leave.

 

[Arcade22]

There is a certain referendum that took place, Olmstead .

Yeah it showed that people not only put blame on the EU for countless problems it has nothing or next to nothing to do with as well as treated leaving the the EU as a kind of panacea for all of Britain's ills.

It was going to revive the fishing, mining and coal industry and steel foundries! It will make farming so much more profitable. The NHS was finally going to be well funded and nurses would get huge pay raises. It just goes on and on.

 

[Arcade22]

Probably through negotiations, but such negotiations can be difficult and tough, and can sometimes fail. It is actually possible the UK (led at that time by David Cameron) should have negotiated a further rebate in 2016, right before the referendum (and made it permanent). Then, perhaps, the outcome of the referendum would have been 52 percent (or more) to remain, rather than 52 percent to leave.

The reason why the original rebate was give was the fact that Britain's economy was less dependent on agriculture compared with the other large members at that time. Since a large portion of the EU budget is composed of subsidies for agriculture it was felt reasonable that an exception be made for the UK.

In the end the UK kept this rebate even after the difference between the major members became negligible. The EU would certainly not accept that the UK should receive even more preferential treatment than it already had.

 

[GnaGnaMan]

Probably through negotiations, but such negotiations can be difficult and tough, and can sometimes fail. It is actually possible the UK (led at that time by David Cameron) should have negotiated a further rebate in 2016, right before the referendum (and made it permanent). Then, perhaps, the outcome of the referendum would have been 52 percent (or more) to remain, rather than 52 percent to leave.

I am surprised that you suggest that Cameron should have engaged in economic terrorism. You seemed to be against such tactics earlier.

Anyways, it would not have worked. If, to put it in your lingo, the UK had been able to satisfy its greed via terrorism then the EU would have been finished. The other countries would have either employed the same british tactics to exploit weaker countries or simply left to protect themselves.

Cameron was prime minister since 2010 and the current MFF has been running sine 2014. His government must have had considerable input into the current EU budget. If that was unacceptable to the UK then why did his government accept that?
If countries were people, then all EU members had a smile on their faces then.
Of course, if countries were people some of them would be self-absorbed drama queens or egotistical sociopaths.