Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks...

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Michel H said:
What do you think about Theresa May's decision to delay vote on her Brexit withdrawal deal, in the House of Commons? Is this yet another "bad calculation" by the Prime Minister (like when she called a general election, in 2017, only to lose it), which will lead to unnecessary waste of time in a difficult situation? Or is it the smart tactical thing to do, in order to optimize her chances of winning that vote?
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I think at this time trying to continue with a discussion on Brexit is in terrible bad taste when our parliament has to deal with the ongoing emergency.
 
Darat said:
I think at this time trying to continue with a discussion on Brexit is in terrible bad taste when our parliament has to deal with the ongoing emergency.
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Yes but, on the other hand, the ongoing emergency is closely related to Brexit.
 
Here's what worries me:

Approximately 320 members of the UK parliament either believed leave lies or voted contrary to their informed, educated views. Essentially, these 320 MPs are simply not fit for the purpose of serving in a representative democracy.

I wonder how many of them their parties will put up for seats next time? None of those that voted for this ****-show should ever be on a ballot paper for a major national party, they're either too stupid or too cowardly.
 
The EC's emergency no deal plan is just hitting the news. Here's the original source.

Communication of 19 December 2018 : “Preparing for the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union on 30 March 2019: Implementing the Commission’s Contingency Action Plan”
https://ec.europa.eu/info/publicati...enting-commissions-contingency-action-plan_en

Some adventurous souls talked here about travelling between the UK and the EU around Brexit day. Here's about that:

Will there still be plane connections between the UK and the EU in case of no deal? What exactly is the EU proposing to ensure this? What will happen if the UK does not reciprocate the measures taken by the EU?
In case of no deal, the Commission is proposing that "point-to-point" flight connections, i.e. connections from the territory of the United Kingdom to the territory of the EU27, are temporarily allowed on the basis of a unilateral measure. This measure will enter into force in case of no deal, if the United Kingdom reciprocates, and last until 30 March 2020. This is to avoid a full interruption of traffic between the EU and the United Kingdom. To ensure reciprocity, the proposal would enable the Commission to adopt appropriate measures, such as adjusting the allowable capacity available to UK air carriers, or requiring Member States to adapt, refuse, suspend or revoke the operating authorisations of UK air carriers, if the Commission were to determine that rights granted by the UK to EU air carriers are not equivalent to those granted to UK air carriers.

Why is the Commission limiting its contingency proposal to only ensuring basic connectivity between the EU and the UK (so called 3rd and 4th freedoms)?
A no-deal scenario will cause significant disruption. As mentioned in the Communication of 19 December 2018, contingency measures cannot replicate the benefits of membership of the Union, nor the terms of any transition period, as provided for in the draft Withdrawal Agreement. Basic connectivity refers to the level and volume of air transport services that will suffice to cover the basic needs of the Member States' economies and mitigate to some extent the impact of withdrawal, without however guaranteeing the continuation of all existing air transport services under the same terms as they are supplied today.
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Has anyone been paying attention to how the Brexit-friendly media has been spinning this? I have the perception that a lot of the UK has had a change of heart, and that the result of a second referendum would be for the UK to remain, but the only British newspapers I read regularly are the Independent and the Guardian. I might just be inside an echo chamber, and all this time the Sun or the Daily Mail have been pushing for a no-deal Brexit. Could a second referendum actually end with the same result?
 
Dave Rogers said:
Oh, good grief. Are you incapable of admitting fault? We know for certain Joseph Juncker was not in the SS, therefore he cannot have been an SS officer. We don't know for sure that he was any kind of officer. All we know for sure is that he was forcibly conscripted into the army by a foreign power that had conquered and annexed his country. A rational person would realise instantly that this fact alone fails by a considerable margin to impugn the morality of his son.

Dave
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Citation please for your claim, 'We know for certain Joseph Juncker was not in the SS'. Show me where he denies it.
 
Vixen said:
Citation please for your claim, 'We know for certain Joseph Juncker was not in the SS'. Show me where he denies it.
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Wow... people or now guilty of they haven't gone on record denying stuff?

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Darat said:
I think at this time trying to continue with a discussion on Brexit is in terrible bad taste when our parliament has to deal with the ongoing emergency.
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So Jeremy Corbyn muttered to himself. Who cares what he said. Yet you'd think he'd offered to take May backwards given the brouhaha.
 
Amazer said:
Wow... people or now guilty of they haven't gone on record denying stuff?

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So nobody is accountable for the mass genocide in Europe, of which several leading Nazis were from Luxembourg.

OK. Silly me for expecting acknowledgement from Juncker of the harm his dad likely did simply by being in the German army.
 
So nobody is accountable for the mass genocide in Europe, of which several leading Nazis were from Luxembourg.
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Have you forgotten the whole Nuremberg Trials thing?

Which '"leading Nazis" were from Luxembourg?
 
Vixen said:
So nobody is accountable for the mass genocide in Europe, of which several leading Nazis were from Luxembourg.
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Are these irrelevant straw men needed or relevant here?
Perhaps find a bin to post them in instead of here.
 
Vixen said:
So you work for Lloyds bank or similar. 'Consultant' is one of those titles that can mean a multitude of things. Unless your doctorates are in Economics or a relevant subject it means little by way of your claiming to be my superior in this topic.
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:rolleyes:
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Britain is moving to a "war footing", the i newspaper is saying on it's front page. It reports that the govt is putting thousands of troops on standby if there is no Brexit deal. They will be used to ensure food and medical supplies get through "clogged ports and motorways".

Brexit minister Dominic Raab wants £39bn of tax breaks for businesses to help them cope if we leave without a deal. Guess that means the NHS won't be getting the 'Brexit dividend' after all.
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I'm sure companies employing or owned by Conservative grandees will profit.
 
Vixen said:
Have you noticed that quite a few international banks have moved out of Canary Wharf at the drop of a hat. It really is no big deal for these international corporations to move from city to city.
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Oh good grief.
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The Moog said:
Thanks for this.
Lots of things I did not know. It is still stunning quite how badly May has handled every single thing.
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Yes I found it an interesting read and he does really highlight how bad the current crop of UK politicians have been on dealing with this
 
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