Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks...

[catsmate]

Tell me your qualifications.

Consultant for nearly twenty years. Worked for over a hundred clients, up to hundred thousand seats. Work for large financial sector company active in sixty plus countries which is active in real planning for Brexit.
Plus a pair of doctorates.

Yours?

 

[catsmate]

What German is going to admit to having been SS. All the older Germans I know are just like Juncker's dad: claim they were opposed to the Nazis.

Oh, OK.

When are you going to admit you are talking utter crap?

 

[catsmate]

Wrong. He was born 1950.

Jesus even your pathetic evasions are littered with simple errors.

 

[catsmate]

Erm, the war finished in 1945.

Judging by some of hir posts that may be news...

 

[Information Analyst]

I don't think immigration from Poland is the problem. When Brexiteers rant about 'East Europeans' they usually mean a bit further East - Romania,Bulgaria, etc.

Poles have been in the UK in huge numbers ever since the war. The government awarded Polish refuges and migrants whole streets of houses in the Kilburn and Maida Vale area as a thank you for their amazing help in the war.

A large portion of the one million in the UK are probably British citizens anyway, regardless of the EU status.

You are mistaken. At the 2001 Census there were only 60,711 people in the UK who were born in Poland. In 2016 it was 831,000.

 

[jimbob]

The people who have moved are mostly financial services and banking. Manufacturing has long been outsourced to cheap labour & materials China, India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. It's easy enough to move back. Just hire offices at Canary Wharf. No big deal.

Low-margin manufacturing has been outsourced. High-added-value manufacturing is still possible in the UK, but it will be harder after Brexit

You really have no idea of the complexity of modern business have you?

Tell me your qualifications.

Consultant for nearly twenty years. Worked for over a hundred clients, up to hundred thousand seats. Work for large financial sector company active in sixty plus countries which is active in real planning for Brexit.
Plus a pair of doctorates.

Yours?

Ouch.


Impressive, but somewhat overkill for pointing out the problems with "just hiring offices at Canary Wharf".

I'm sure I'd miss a fair number of factors out, but know enough to see that is silly.

I'm sure I'm missing a fair number of issues, but an appropriately qualified potential pool of workers willing to work where you are is obviously key, and which is hard to recreate once it's gone. Likewise with any specialist support industries and infrastructure. And I suppose as few barriers to the clients - so having different regulatory requirements could be problematic.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Britain is moving to a "war footing", the i newspaper is saying on it's front page. It reports that the govt is putting thousands of troops on standby if there is no Brexit deal. They will be used to ensure food and medical supplies get through "clogged ports and motorways".

Brexit minister Dominic Raab wants £39bn of tax breaks for businesses to help them cope if we leave without a deal. Guess that means the NHS won't be getting the 'Brexit dividend' after all.

 

[Vixen]

Consultant for nearly twenty years. Worked for over a hundred clients, up to hundred thousand seats. Work for large financial sector company active in sixty plus countries which is active in real planning for Brexit.
Plus a pair of doctorates.

Yours?

So you work for Lloyds bank or similar. 'Consultant' is one of those titles that can mean a multitude of things. Unless your doctorates are in Economics or a relevant subject it means little by way of your claiming to be my superior in this topic.

 

[Vixen]

Low-margin manufacturing has been outsourced. High-added-value manufacturing is still possible in the UK, but it will be harder after Brexit







Ouch.


Impressive, but somewhat overkill for pointing out the problems with "just hiring offices at Canary Wharf".

I'm sure I'd miss a fair number of factors out, but know enough to see that is silly.

I'm sure I'm missing a fair number of issues, but an appropriately qualified potential pool of workers willing to work where you are is obviously key, and which is hard to recreate once it's gone. Likewise with any specialist support industries and infrastructure. And I suppose as few barriers to the clients - so having different regulatory requirements could be problematic.

Have you noticed that quite a few international banks have moved out of Canary Wharf at the drop of a hat. It really is no big deal for these international corporations to move from city to city.

 

[Vixen]

Britain is moving to a "war footing", the i newspaper is saying on it's front page. It reports that the govt is putting thousands of troops on standby if there is no Brexit deal. They will be used to ensure food and medical supplies get through "clogged ports and motorways".

Brexit minister Dominic Raab wants £39bn of tax breaks for businesses to help them cope if we leave without a deal. Guess that means the NHS won't be getting the 'Brexit dividend' after all.

The conservative party whip has come out and said he would not support a 'no deal' option.

With half of May's cabinet against it, I think the probability of it happening is low. However, of course the government is obliged to carry out a risk assessment and have contingency measures in place for any eventuality. It is a surprise it has left it so late.

 

[Andy_Ross]

No, it's not a surprise at all.

 

[Degeneve]

Here you have the nub of it. Most will have remained spotty privates. Only the ones enthusiastically committed to the cause of National Socialism would have risen to officer class, especially if they were from the working class to begin with.

We don't know for sure Juncker's dad was an SS-Officer. I read it and assumed it was common knowledge.

We don't even know for sure he was an officer. But you are still building wild theories without being able to rely on hard proven facts.

 

[McHrozni]

I was merely pointing out that the post-war Baby Boomer generation distrust of Germany as a nation is understandable, given its recent history of naked aggression and atrocities.

And I was merely pointing out this is a pile of dingo's kidneys. It would be understandable for the preceeding generation, the ones born around 1900, give or take five years. There aren't that many of those around any more though.

I didn't say the perception was right or wrong.

This is akin to claiming it is understandable that we still have the Flat Earth movement and then defending the silly claim by the quote above.

Better luck with a different argument I suppose.

McHrozni

 

[McHrozni]

Britain is moving to a "war footing", the i newspaper is saying on it's front page. It reports that the govt is putting thousands of troops on standby if there is no Brexit deal. They will be used to ensure food and medical supplies get through "clogged ports and motorways".

Brexit minister Dominic Raab wants £39bn of tax breaks for businesses to help them cope if we leave without a deal. Guess that means the NHS won't be getting the 'Brexit dividend' after all.

"We're spending £750 million per week on Brexit. Let's give it to the NHS instead!" would make a lovely bus advert, don't you think?

McHrozni

 

[Tolls]

I doubt Juncker's fellow Luzembourg Jews received the same privileges he did?

What the flipping heck does that have to do with him being conscripted, and not being a German as a child and hence not in the Hitler Youth from a young age?

There is no evidence he was a Nazi, or anything other than one of 10,000 reluctant conscripts from Luxembourg after it was annexed.

Don't try and smokescreen that one with your side trek into what happened to the Jews of Luxembourg as that is utterly irrelevant.

Either show us the evidence he was a Nazi SS Officer, or retract it and admit you were wrong.
It's not difficult.
Embrace your wrongness and learn something, for once.

 

[Dave Rogers]

We don't know for sure Juncker's dad was an SS-Officer. I read it and assumed it was common knowledge.

Oh, good grief. Are you incapable of admitting fault? We know for certain Joseph Juncker was not in the SS, therefore he cannot have been an SS officer. We don't know for sure that he was any kind of officer. All we know for sure is that he was forcibly conscripted into the army by a foreign power that had conquered and annexed his country. A rational person would realise instantly that this fact alone fails by a considerable margin to impugn the morality of his son.

Dave

 

[Dave Rogers]

I doubt Juncker's fellow Luzembourg Jews received the same privileges he did?

You may be surprised to learn this, but the Nazis discriminated pretty heavily against the Jews wherever they found them, and this was not necessarily in any way the fault of the conquered peoples from whom they separated out the Jews by force for genocide. If everyone who was treated more favourably than the Jews by the Nazis is somehow morally compromised, then there aren't really any good people left.

Dave

 

[This is The End]

Just an American stopping by here again to say good luck and I hope the politicians in the UK grow some balls.

(I made an analogy earlier in this thread about how our current Trump troubles might have around 20 years of repercussions.... Of which we can recover. I wouldn't trade with Brexit for anything. You're looking at possible repercussions that will last relatively forever.)


Anyway, quick question please, and forgive me for not knowing your (and the EU's) history very well:

When (or if) this goes down; how long will it have been since the UK saw that amount of independence (not sure if I even want to use that word, but I think that gets my point accross)? The 1970s? All the way back to WWII??


In other words, and I know that sometimes not all situations are comparable, but if you had to say "This sets us back to XXXX." What year would be most appropriate?

 

[ponderingturtle]

Britain is moving to a "war footing", the i newspaper is saying on it's front page. It reports that the govt is putting thousands of troops on standby if there is no Brexit deal. They will be used to ensure food and medical supplies get through "clogged ports and motorways".

Brexit minister Dominic Raab wants £39bn of tax breaks for businesses to help them cope if we leave without a deal. Guess that means the NHS won't be getting the 'Brexit dividend' after all.

Think of all the money it will save by not having medication to administer though.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

A pro-Brexit group is found to have illegally donated over 400 grand to the DUP for campaigning to Leave and is fined £6k.

That is why it gets done and why it will continue to happen ... there is no downside.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46607265