Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks...

[fagin]

In addition, they are all things agreed to previously.

It doesn't make it any easier to make agreements and treaties if you've broken previous ones.

 

[zooterkin]

They can't MAKE you do something, but they can make your life very difficult if you don't. Especially when you are hugely reliant on them for things like food, medicine, and transportation.

I mean it's fine to be all cowboy about it, but cowboys don't generally have to explain to millions of people why they aren't going to get their insulin, do they?

Oh, we don't have to worry about that, they are doubling the stocks of insulin, so the PM won't run out.

Of course, what most people hearing this story don't seem to realise is that storing 16 weeks' supply instead of 8 isn't just a formality, it requires planning, more storage facilities, and costs real money. This will apply to everything that is imported currently, because delays are likely due to the uncertainty, and inevitable extra processing delays even once the uncertainty ends.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

In addition, they are all things agreed to previously.

It doesn't make it any easier to make agreements and treaties if you've broken previous ones.

And honestly in the big scheme of things £40bn is peanuts in comparison to what is being discussed so if it buys you even a little goodwill then its a price worth paying.

It's 1.5% of annual GDP or thereabouts I think. You could probably lose more than that in even a week of transitional chaos from not having a deal.

 

[Amazer]

They can't MAKE you do something, but they can make your life very difficult if you don't. Especially when you are hugely reliant on them for things like food, medicine, and transportation.

I mean it's fine to be all cowboy about it, but cowboys don't generally have to explain to millions of people why they aren't going to get their insulin, do they?

It's not even the case that the EU spitefully will makes things difficult... but in case the UK crashes out without a deal then it must be treated exactly the same as other WTO members with whom the EU doesn't have deals. Else it would unfairly discriminate and would be forced to extend the same preferential treatment to all those countries.

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[Craig B]

No. It has had enough of the 'troubles'. No return to that.

Then the UK requires to cooperate with the EU, of which the Republic of Ireland is, and intends to remain, a member; because the Border in Ireland is the common property of both polities: the EU, including RoI, and the UK, including NI.

 

[catsmate]

Why? If the UK has to follow its laws and regulations, of course it must expect to have a say in the passing and formulating of legislation.

No. That privilege is reserved for EU members.

 

[catsmate]

Are Scotland and Northern Ireland still threatening to leave the UK if the UK leaves the EU?

Yep.

 

[Ian Osborne]

Why bother with all this 'deals' and 'treaties' garbage? Why don't we go full-on hermit like North Korea? If it's good enough for Kim Jong-un, it's good enough for Theresa May.

 

[catsmate]

Why bother with all this 'deals' and 'treaties' garbage? Why don't we go full-on hermit like North Korea? If it's good enough for Kim Jong-un, it's good enough for Theresa May.

Shades of '1990', remember Edward Woodward?

 

[jimbob]

Good interview with Melvyn Bragg

https://www.politicshome.com/news/u.../99904/‘who-f-does-he-thinks-he-’-broadcaster

On the "cult" of Brexit:

“These bunch of squirearchal, hedge funding, over-privileged people who think it’s going to be okay – it’s going to be okay for them. They’re not going to suffer – not a bit of it. They don’t offer any evidence now. It’s ceased to be a programme or a process, it’s a cult. It’s a bit like the Moonies. They just believe it because they believe because they believe it. Because they are who they are, they think them believing it is significant. No, it isn’t.”

ETA:

And on immigration fears:

“I was canvassing in Carlisle for the Labour party – you couldn’t believe it really – they were worried about immigration. Nearly ninety per cent of the people in Carlisle had been born in and around Carlisle… but ‘oh, this terrible threat of immigration!’”

He (rightly) reserves his most cutting criticism for Cameron.

 

[Aber]

The thing is, once the UK leaves it doesn't HAVE to follow EU regulations any more.

Yes it does, if they are in the Withdrawal Agreement.

There is IIUC a lengthy section on following EU State Aid rules.

 

[The Moog]

Yes it does, if they are in the Withdrawal Agreement.

There is IIUC a lengthy section on following EU State Aid rules.

Don't agree to a withdrawal agreement then. Just crash out with no deal.
It will be fine.

 

[jimbob]

Don't agree to a withdrawal agreement then. Just crash out with no deal.
It will be fine.

Remove any sarcasm, and you could actually be David Davis.

 

[The Moog]

Remove any sarcasm, and you could actually be David Davis.

Make me Brexit minister, I could do just as good a job.

 

[Strawberry]

Make me Brexit minister, I could do just as good a job.

The Downing Street cat could do just as good a job, so that's not saying much.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Given how little the UK was in the EU when it was in the EU I can't imagine an UK that wasn't in the UK would be all that put off.

 

[Strawberry]

Given how little the UK was in the EU when it was in the EU I can't imagine an UK that wasn't in the UK would be all that put off.

Eh?

 

[jimbob]

Make me Brexit minister, I could do just as good a job.

Actually, thinking about Will o'the Wisp, and assuming that you actually are The Moog from that, then my only concern is that you'd be overqualified.

When did you learn that the Dover-Calais crossing was important for British trade?

If it was earlier than this month, you'd beat Dominic Raab.

And he was an improvement on David Davis.

 

[Strawberry]

Actually, thinking about Will o'the Wisp, and assuming that you actually are The Moog from that, then my only concern is that you'd be overqualified.

When did you learn that the Dover-Calais crossing was important for British trade?

If it was earlier than this month, you'd beat Dominic Raab.

And he was an improvement on David Davis.

Davis wanted to do a trade deal with Czechoslavia and avoid an internal border with that part of the UK called Southern Ireland. Raab only just realised where France is.

Such is the quality of leadership these days.

 

[jimbob]

Davis wanted to do a trade deal with Czechoslavia and avoid an internal border with that part of the UK called Southern Ireland. Raab only just realised where France is.

Such is the quality of leadership these days.

Indeed, and The Moog was nice but didn't think.



So definitely Cabinet minister material - although being nice is probably problematic for this government. But still a step up.